Which 3M bra...Invisiguard, StoneGard or Xpel?
I have installed kits from all of the above mentioned companies. The reason is simple: money. If a customer feels $1000 is too much to pay I can offer less expensive options, I don't want to leave money on the table. I know that after they have used the product and realized how well the paint has been protected, they will certainly have it installed on every new car they purchase there after. Past history has shown me that repeat customers want the "works" and usually want areas custom made. The last car I did I used the Dyna shield on the nose and the optional pieces sold by Invinca-shield for the rocker panels and door sills.
I can say that both the people at Invinca-shield and Dyna shield are great to work with as far as customer service on the installer side. Both want happy customers and know the importance of a quality install is paramount to achieving this.
Due to the fact that the majority of the country does not have "qualified" installation sites, Invinca-shield can include everything needed to do the install yourself, a video, slip solution, even a squeegee. If there is no installer near you or like do it your-self projects, Invinca-shield is your best bet.
On the flip side, I have over a dozen installers on the east coast that I send business to, but only a select few have demonstrated the ability to install the Dyna shield kits. Mike designs the kits with some dis-assembly required so that as many of the seams can be hidden behind turn signals, lights, fender wells, or grill inserts. The installs do take longer and areas of the car must be cleaned that haven't even seen daylight.
Dyna shield is also the only company that I know of in the industry using 48 inch material where needed, and was first used in designing their 350 z kit. Imagine trying to stick a 48 inch wide clear decal across the hood of your car without leaving any bubbles, or getting any dust, dirt, eyelashes, pollen, ect under it, and you can imagine how important choosing a qualified installer is, regardless of who's product they use.
I can say that both the people at Invinca-shield and Dyna shield are great to work with as far as customer service on the installer side. Both want happy customers and know the importance of a quality install is paramount to achieving this.
Due to the fact that the majority of the country does not have "qualified" installation sites, Invinca-shield can include everything needed to do the install yourself, a video, slip solution, even a squeegee. If there is no installer near you or like do it your-self projects, Invinca-shield is your best bet.
On the flip side, I have over a dozen installers on the east coast that I send business to, but only a select few have demonstrated the ability to install the Dyna shield kits. Mike designs the kits with some dis-assembly required so that as many of the seams can be hidden behind turn signals, lights, fender wells, or grill inserts. The installs do take longer and areas of the car must be cleaned that haven't even seen daylight.
Dyna shield is also the only company that I know of in the industry using 48 inch material where needed, and was first used in designing their 350 z kit. Imagine trying to stick a 48 inch wide clear decal across the hood of your car without leaving any bubbles, or getting any dust, dirt, eyelashes, pollen, ect under it, and you can imagine how important choosing a qualified installer is, regardless of who's product they use.
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For adding some balanced facts back to a conversation that had become way too clouded by emotions.
I apologize Mike if you took offense to my original posting. I never intended to come in and bash especially since we had never even heard of you.
I will repeat my warning one final time for the benefit of the Forum members; With the explosive growth of this market, it is impossible to keep up with all the newer entries. "What-ever" -Shield companies are popping up left and right to take advantage of this growth yet there is no regulatory or qualifiying agency for certifying the capabilities of installers or designers. Hence, you the public, are at the mercy of your installer when he tells you to trust him because he knows what he is doing.
You the consumer have planty of choices regarding price, quality, installation, warranty and now even what film to use. Paint protection is no longer just for the high end automobiles. To use Mike's example, a person buying that Neon probably spent as much money AS A PERCENTAGE OF HIS DISPOSABLE INCOME as the person buying the Ferrari 575. Do your homework before you decide on a course of action. There are a lot of companies out there who are not as well-known as DynaShield.
I apologize Mike if you took offense to my original posting. I never intended to come in and bash especially since we had never even heard of you.
I will repeat my warning one final time for the benefit of the Forum members; With the explosive growth of this market, it is impossible to keep up with all the newer entries. "What-ever" -Shield companies are popping up left and right to take advantage of this growth yet there is no regulatory or qualifiying agency for certifying the capabilities of installers or designers. Hence, you the public, are at the mercy of your installer when he tells you to trust him because he knows what he is doing.
You the consumer have planty of choices regarding price, quality, installation, warranty and now even what film to use. Paint protection is no longer just for the high end automobiles. To use Mike's example, a person buying that Neon probably spent as much money AS A PERCENTAGE OF HIS DISPOSABLE INCOME as the person buying the Ferrari 575. Do your homework before you decide on a course of action. There are a lot of companies out there who are not as well-known as DynaShield.
Originally posted by Invinca-ShieldMgr.
I think after a few months of use you may want to recant your testimony, Cato.
I think after a few months of use you may want to recant your testimony, Cato.
One important fact is that as an installer, both Invinca-shield and Dyna Shield have altered kit designs at my request. Invinca-shield has removed relief cuts on several occasions simply because I don't need them, such as on the bumpers or mirrors, relief cut that were designed in to help less experienced installers apply the kit in difficult areas. They are open to new ideas and even redesigned a new piece for me so that I could offer a cleaner install. This was unheard of to me and a welcome change from those who's kits are carved in stone.
Dyna shield has added relief cuts for me....
Just kidding. Mike looks for feedback on his products and always contacts an installer before and after installing one of his kits. They are his babies and he loves all of his children. The first call is to make sure the installer is familiar with what needs to be disassembled from the car and how to do it, whether it's how to remove a 10 mm speed nut under a Porsche logo without it falling into the hood cavity, or loosening up the head lamp on the Z. The second call is after the install to see how it went and if the installer feels there is room for improvement, or any changes that would have made the install look better.
Mike does not let a design leave his building until he himself has installed the kit and cannot find any room for improvement. I have seen him rip off and throw away an fully wrapped bumper, one that I would have broke my arm patting myself on the back for, simply because he felt he could add a few centimeters of film here or come back a little farther into a headlight recess there.
This kind of attention to detail certainly work if Dynashield had X000 kits availble, and that is not the goal over there. The mission is to expliot the material to its fullest potential to maximize coverage and minimize visible lines to create a product that is superior to all others, one car at a time.
If your buying a Rolex, why would you strap it to your wrist with a rubber band when you can afford the gold?
Dyna shield has added relief cuts for me....
Just kidding. Mike looks for feedback on his products and always contacts an installer before and after installing one of his kits. They are his babies and he loves all of his children. The first call is to make sure the installer is familiar with what needs to be disassembled from the car and how to do it, whether it's how to remove a 10 mm speed nut under a Porsche logo without it falling into the hood cavity, or loosening up the head lamp on the Z. The second call is after the install to see how it went and if the installer feels there is room for improvement, or any changes that would have made the install look better.
Mike does not let a design leave his building until he himself has installed the kit and cannot find any room for improvement. I have seen him rip off and throw away an fully wrapped bumper, one that I would have broke my arm patting myself on the back for, simply because he felt he could add a few centimeters of film here or come back a little farther into a headlight recess there.
This kind of attention to detail certainly work if Dynashield had X000 kits availble, and that is not the goal over there. The mission is to expliot the material to its fullest potential to maximize coverage and minimize visible lines to create a product that is superior to all others, one car at a time.
If your buying a Rolex, why would you strap it to your wrist with a rubber band when you can afford the gold?
Okay guys, now that I have read this thread I have become paranoid regarding both product and installation. I live in Cincinnati, in your opinion who is the best installer in this area?
This guy sells StonGard and DynaShield and is a great installer.
CGM Detroit
Bob Reid
734-425-1015
onecarguy@twmi.rr.com
This guy sells StonGard and may sell DynaShield if you ask. He has a good reputation.
Rudy Poa
698 Essex Way
Centerville, OH 45429
(937) 830-2797
CGM Detroit
Bob Reid
734-425-1015
onecarguy@twmi.rr.com
This guy sells StonGard and may sell DynaShield if you ask. He has a good reputation.
Rudy Poa
698 Essex Way
Centerville, OH 45429
(937) 830-2797
Given everyone saying how important the installer is for one of these 3M bras, can anyone recommend an installer in the Portland, OR area? Or anyone with experiences with installers in the area would be appreciated.
TIA
TIA
Oh man.....I leave the thread alone for a couple of weeks and see what happens!
Attached Pict is my Z with Xpel Kit installed by Edre at Envisage Design Labs on recommendation by Jeremy at Invisigard. THERE think I gave everyone involved credit :-p
Attached Pict is my Z with Xpel Kit installed by Edre at Envisage Design Labs on recommendation by Jeremy at Invisigard. THERE think I gave everyone involved credit :-p
Originally posted by lovemyz
i'm looking for some in DC/MD/VA area (preferably northern VA). Is there an installer close by you guys could recommend?
i'm looking for some in DC/MD/VA area (preferably northern VA). Is there an installer close by you guys could recommend?
Will there be any uneven discoloration over time if the clear bra is used? I just picked up my Z last saturday and I was thinking about getting one. Does anyone have recommendations on where to buy and get the job done; I live in Los Angeles. Thanks...
Competent Installers.....PERIOD! It's so tempting for me to approach all the interested prospects from the northeast in this forum. But since, as I've always been saying, the material and labor is quite expensive, it's not really a product/service that one can push/promote/solicit. That's why my company prefers to live off of referrals from satisfied customers, such as consistent business from dealerships.
Companys(good and bad) selling pre-cuts are a dime a dozen on the internet. We opt to stay away from selling the film and specialize in installation because we are in it to build a reputation, not just for the quick buck. We do not want a once a blue moon perfect install by a DIYer. Instead, we rather charge what we have to to give customer a professional result and enhance our reputation. Like Steven Spielberg who makes movies FOR himself, we do custom install to impress OURSELVES(the installers); estatic/amazed customers are just bonuses.
For those interested in our service, please search freshalloy.com(forum>search>clear bra or paint protection film) to get referrals to our service. We are not expensive nor cheap. We are not amature nor absolutely 100% perfect; BTW, usually only another expert installer can detect MINOR imperfections.
But we are REALLY good!
Thomas
SE-EX.com
PAINT PROTECTION FILM SPECIALIST
Referral Customers Please
Our show car....
Lets just throw one more company in the mix. RockBlocker.com has their own line of kits as well as the StonGard. Both the kits are basically the same.
The major difference is the price. The RockBlocker kit is only $322.00 instead of $500.00. Which when comapred to some other companies gives you more coverage and less pieces like StonGard.
I know a guy in the NW that will install them all day long and does a great job.
The major difference is the price. The RockBlocker kit is only $322.00 instead of $500.00. Which when comapred to some other companies gives you more coverage and less pieces like StonGard.
I know a guy in the NW that will install them all day long and does a great job.
I have not gotten my z yet (plan on su\ometime in the summer), but I do want my future baby to protected. the plan is to have it buffed very well, then cg (just by reading the posts here, I think it's worthwhile) then putting on a clear bra. Does this seem like a wise (or even possible) order of events? I do not know what the installation of a clear bra involves with respect to having a completely pristine suface.
Also, for future reference, are there installers in the Dallas area that you would recommend?
Also, for future reference, are there installers in the Dallas area that you would recommend?
Last edited by polar; Mar 31, 2003 at 06:46 AM.



