after clay bar, but before nxt tech wax 2.0 ?
05-23-2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Iso? Meaning isopropyl alcohol?
If your paint has no swirls or very minimal swirling use 3M Imperial Hand Glaze. It has fillers that fill fine swirls and oils that feed the paint. Cover with a good wax or acrylic sealant.
JET
If your paint has no swirls or very minimal swirling use 3M Imperial Hand Glaze. It has fillers that fill fine swirls and oils that feed the paint. Cover with a good wax or acrylic sealant.
JET
3M Imperial hand glaze FTW!!!
05-23-2008, 08:24 PM
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I have been an Autopia member for two years and can attest that NXT 2.0 is very popular there, including among real professionals who clear six figures a year through detailing alone. Our "professional detailer" is making the error of relaying his personal preference as a product defect; never a good thing. I have well over $800 invested in detailing products of all sorts and I can tell you that every synthetic LSP I have ever used (liquid, paste, spray) gives the high gloss, so-called "plasticky" look, some just give more than others. Some nubas do it too; P21S is just one example. And if you ask a lay person which they prefer, they generally tend to prefer the synthetic look. I detail a bit on the side and 9/10 times, when I do a side-by-side demo for a customer on their own car, they request one of my synthetics.
So to say that NXT 2.0 (a synthetic LSP) is terrible because it does exactly what that product genre is universally known for, is akin to faulting a wide body kit for making the car look too big. NXT 2.0, in my opinion, is one of the best OTC products out there (and many Autopians actually argue that it is the best). It took the best features of original NXT and made them better by adding longevity (never a strong suit for the original formulation).
And now on the layering. The thing I find funny is how people love to argue with others' personal experience. I have been detailing cars since I was 5 when my dad taught me the ropes. I like to think that I have what people might consider to be the "trained" eye. And I have never come across a product (LSP, glaze or anything else), that topped with itself, after the original layer has fully cured, gives a poorer look than the first layer. Some products do a better job of being "layerable" than others. When I layer CMW a second time for example, it provides a MUCH better look than it's first layer. EX-P, on the other hand, doesn't make that much of a difference. Another advantage of layering is the slight variation in the look one can achieve. I absolutely LOVE to follow my CMW with just one layer of NB. It maintains the deep, DEEP, look of the former while adding the slight sparkle of the latter. If I want a little more sparkle, I replace NB with P21S. It just depends on my mood (or the customer's preference).
And finally, proving a point via Google is laughable. All it contains is what this thread already has: plenty of personal opinions. Use a product, form your opinion, then reuse it if you like, or move on to something else. That is the beauty of experience.
So to say that NXT 2.0 (a synthetic LSP) is terrible because it does exactly what that product genre is universally known for, is akin to faulting a wide body kit for making the car look too big. NXT 2.0, in my opinion, is one of the best OTC products out there (and many Autopians actually argue that it is the best). It took the best features of original NXT and made them better by adding longevity (never a strong suit for the original formulation).
And now on the layering. The thing I find funny is how people love to argue with others' personal experience. I have been detailing cars since I was 5 when my dad taught me the ropes. I like to think that I have what people might consider to be the "trained" eye. And I have never come across a product (LSP, glaze or anything else), that topped with itself, after the original layer has fully cured, gives a poorer look than the first layer. Some products do a better job of being "layerable" than others. When I layer CMW a second time for example, it provides a MUCH better look than it's first layer. EX-P, on the other hand, doesn't make that much of a difference. Another advantage of layering is the slight variation in the look one can achieve. I absolutely LOVE to follow my CMW with just one layer of NB. It maintains the deep, DEEP, look of the former while adding the slight sparkle of the latter. If I want a little more sparkle, I replace NB with P21S. It just depends on my mood (or the customer's preference).
And finally, proving a point via Google is laughable. All it contains is what this thread already has: plenty of personal opinions. Use a product, form your opinion, then reuse it if you like, or move on to something else. That is the beauty of experience.
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actually, my layering remarks are far from being a personal opinion. It is a proven fact, and again.. can easilly be researched and proven.
I've been in the business 20+ years, and although I don't make a 6 figure salary, I tend to think that I know what I am talking about.
Jet, I have tried 2 of the products you mentioned.
I've been in the business 20+ years, and although I don't make a 6 figure salary, I tend to think that I know what I am talking about.
Jet, I have tried 2 of the products you mentioned.
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Dear nyguy4u: I ran into Prestone's Synthetic Car Polish by chance at Ft. Bu-
chanan (Army Post); as it's turned out, it's a BARGAIN, at $4.99. My 25-year-
old son's very demanding regarding his Accord's detailing, & he thinks it's g-r-
e-a-t!!! Try it, my friend; easy, 1-step thing, and, at that price, you can't beat it! Good luck!
chanan (Army Post); as it's turned out, it's a BARGAIN, at $4.99. My 25-year-
old son's very demanding regarding his Accord's detailing, & he thinks it's g-r-
e-a-t!!! Try it, my friend; easy, 1-step thing, and, at that price, you can't beat it! Good luck!
05-24-2008, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by usmanasif
I have been an Autopia member for two years and can attest that NXT 2.0 is very popular there, including among real professionals who clear six figures a year through detailing alone. Our "professional detailer" is making the error of relaying his personal preference as a product defect; never a good thing. I have well over $800 invested in detailing products of all sorts and I can tell you that every synthetic LSP I have ever used (liquid, paste, spray) gives the high gloss, so-called "plasticky" look, some just give more than others. Some nubas do it too; P21S is just one example. And if you ask a lay person which they prefer, they generally tend to prefer the synthetic look. I detail a bit on the side and 9/10 times, when I do a side-by-side demo for a customer on their own car, they request one of my synthetics.
So to say that NXT 2.0 (a synthetic LSP) is terrible because it does exactly what that product genre is universally known for, is akin to faulting a wide body kit for making the car look too big. NXT 2.0, in my opinion, is one of the best OTC products out there (and many Autopians actually argue that it is the best). It took the best features of original NXT and made them better by adding longevity (never a strong suit for the original formulation).
And now on the layering. The thing I find funny is how people love to argue with others' personal experience. I have been detailing cars since I was 5 when my dad taught me the ropes. I like to think that I have what people might consider to be the "trained" eye. And I have never come across a product (LSP, glaze or anything else), that topped with itself, after the original layer has fully cured, gives a poorer look than the first layer. Some products do a better job of being "layerable" than others. When I layer CMW a second time for example, it provides a MUCH better look than it's first layer. EX-P, on the other hand, doesn't make that much of a difference. Another advantage of layering is the slight variation in the look one can achieve. I absolutely LOVE to follow my CMW with just one layer of NB. It maintains the deep, DEEP, look of the former while adding the slight sparkle of the latter. If I want a little more sparkle, I replace NB with P21S. It just depends on my mood (or the customer's preference).
And finally, proving a point via Google is laughable. All it contains is what this thread already has: plenty of personal opinions. Use a product, form your opinion, then reuse it if you like, or move on to something else. That is the beauty of experience.
So to say that NXT 2.0 (a synthetic LSP) is terrible because it does exactly what that product genre is universally known for, is akin to faulting a wide body kit for making the car look too big. NXT 2.0, in my opinion, is one of the best OTC products out there (and many Autopians actually argue that it is the best). It took the best features of original NXT and made them better by adding longevity (never a strong suit for the original formulation).
And now on the layering. The thing I find funny is how people love to argue with others' personal experience. I have been detailing cars since I was 5 when my dad taught me the ropes. I like to think that I have what people might consider to be the "trained" eye. And I have never come across a product (LSP, glaze or anything else), that topped with itself, after the original layer has fully cured, gives a poorer look than the first layer. Some products do a better job of being "layerable" than others. When I layer CMW a second time for example, it provides a MUCH better look than it's first layer. EX-P, on the other hand, doesn't make that much of a difference. Another advantage of layering is the slight variation in the look one can achieve. I absolutely LOVE to follow my CMW with just one layer of NB. It maintains the deep, DEEP, look of the former while adding the slight sparkle of the latter. If I want a little more sparkle, I replace NB with P21S. It just depends on my mood (or the customer's preference).
And finally, proving a point via Google is laughable. All it contains is what this thread already has: plenty of personal opinions. Use a product, form your opinion, then reuse it if you like, or move on to something else. That is the beauty of experience.
Thank you!
For someone who is new to "detailing" it can be pretty daunting to try to find "advice" online. Everyone has an opinion and they are always different from everyone elses.
Today I did a nice wash, some meguiar's polish, the nxt tech wax 2.0 and I am pleased with the results. I am not showing my car. All the work I did will look like junk in a week once the pollen and other dust and such lands on it as it is parked at work.
But i am happy with the results, so who can argue that.
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where can you get the 3M hand polish? i really don't want to use a PC yet to polish the car but i would like to rid the car of some swirls.
as for the google for tips on layering wax...this is the only thing i found on a quick 3min search. by the way, all the other stuff was horrible info, so the advice to google for info doesn't provide much:
12. Are multiple coats of wax beneficial? (Layering)
That depends on what effect you are looking for: protection or beauty.
Protection
If your looking for the maximum protection possible, then one or two thin coats of wax, maybe even up to three thin coats of wax, has the potential to create the most surface protection depending on the wax, the surface itself and whether or not sufficient time has passed in-between each application. Of course the law of diminishing returns states that you will not create exponentially greater layers of protection with each application, but Meguiar's knows that a second, and sometimes third application will insure uniform, thorough coverage over the majority of the surface, thus maximizing the protection.
Environmental conditions today demand more frequent washing and waxing in order to prevent costly damage to the outer layers of paint. Just as important as a second, and possibly a third coating of wax is to provide the maximum amount of protection in any one detailing session, (especially on the horizontal surfaces), it is also vitally important that you wax more often to maintain your finish. This is especially true if your car is a daily driver exposed to the elements and parked outdoors most of the time.
Beauty
Will more coats of a product make a finish deeper, darker, and wetter looking with each additional application?
In a word: Possibly
Generally speaking, when trying to take your car's finish to its maximum potential for clarity, gloss, shine and depth of color, there comes a point, or a plateau, that you will reach whereupon additional applications of either polish or wax will not increase the results of any of those categories. Of course, you are more apt to reach this plateau if your skill level is high and if the quality of your products is also very high.
These assumptions also assume that the surface in question is on
* A brand new car
* A car with a brand new paint job
* An older car whose finish has been well maintained and is in excellent condition
* An older car whose finish has been professional restored to excellent condition
If any of the above holds true, then you will most certainly hit the wall, so to speak, reaching that plateau of perfection whereby further applications will not improve the results of the previously applied coating. Your finish will have reached its maximum potential in appearance value.
After time goes by and this plateau you have previously reached begins to diminish, you can restore the paint to it's maximum potential again, quickly and easily by simply applying a new coat of the right wax or polish. This maintenance procedure will only act to restore the finish back to it's maximum potential and shouldn't be positioned, or confused with making your surface deeper, darker, shinier, etc. than it's maximum potential.
Once you hit 100% max potential, (or that plateau), it's time to stand back and admire the results, not continue to apply more and more coats.
Special Note: Ideas suggesting that repeated applications of a product will continue to increase optic clarity and gloss and protection are misleading you and your own common sense should enable you to understand that a finish, whether black, red, single-stage, clear coat, etc. has a limit to how perfect it can become.
as for the google for tips on layering wax...this is the only thing i found on a quick 3min search. by the way, all the other stuff was horrible info, so the advice to google for info doesn't provide much:
12. Are multiple coats of wax beneficial? (Layering)
That depends on what effect you are looking for: protection or beauty.
Protection
If your looking for the maximum protection possible, then one or two thin coats of wax, maybe even up to three thin coats of wax, has the potential to create the most surface protection depending on the wax, the surface itself and whether or not sufficient time has passed in-between each application. Of course the law of diminishing returns states that you will not create exponentially greater layers of protection with each application, but Meguiar's knows that a second, and sometimes third application will insure uniform, thorough coverage over the majority of the surface, thus maximizing the protection.
Environmental conditions today demand more frequent washing and waxing in order to prevent costly damage to the outer layers of paint. Just as important as a second, and possibly a third coating of wax is to provide the maximum amount of protection in any one detailing session, (especially on the horizontal surfaces), it is also vitally important that you wax more often to maintain your finish. This is especially true if your car is a daily driver exposed to the elements and parked outdoors most of the time.
Beauty
Will more coats of a product make a finish deeper, darker, and wetter looking with each additional application?
In a word: Possibly
Generally speaking, when trying to take your car's finish to its maximum potential for clarity, gloss, shine and depth of color, there comes a point, or a plateau, that you will reach whereupon additional applications of either polish or wax will not increase the results of any of those categories. Of course, you are more apt to reach this plateau if your skill level is high and if the quality of your products is also very high.
These assumptions also assume that the surface in question is on
* A brand new car
* A car with a brand new paint job
* An older car whose finish has been well maintained and is in excellent condition
* An older car whose finish has been professional restored to excellent condition
If any of the above holds true, then you will most certainly hit the wall, so to speak, reaching that plateau of perfection whereby further applications will not improve the results of the previously applied coating. Your finish will have reached its maximum potential in appearance value.
After time goes by and this plateau you have previously reached begins to diminish, you can restore the paint to it's maximum potential again, quickly and easily by simply applying a new coat of the right wax or polish. This maintenance procedure will only act to restore the finish back to it's maximum potential and shouldn't be positioned, or confused with making your surface deeper, darker, shinier, etc. than it's maximum potential.
Once you hit 100% max potential, (or that plateau), it's time to stand back and admire the results, not continue to apply more and more coats.
Special Note: Ideas suggesting that repeated applications of a product will continue to increase optic clarity and gloss and protection are misleading you and your own common sense should enable you to understand that a finish, whether black, red, single-stage, clear coat, etc. has a limit to how perfect it can become.
05-24-2008, 03:42 PM
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hello, would any of you guys recommend 3m rubbing compound with an orbital buffer after claying? so: 1. claying 2. 3m rubbing compound 3. 3m hand polish? 4. synthetic wax/sealer (gold class or 3m sealer). to clarify i have a black '05 coupe that has minor swirls. it's never been clayed before either. just a few years of handwashing and waxing. is 3m hand polish a mild abrasive like 3m rubbing compound?
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Originally Posted by usmanasif
And finally, proving a point via Google is laughable. All it contains is what this thread already has: plenty of personal opinions. Use a product, form your opinion, then reuse it if you like, or move on to something else. That is the beauty of experience.
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well put
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3M Swirl Remover
3M Imperial Hand Glaze
The glaze will not remove any of the swirls, it will be a temporary filler for light swirls. I have only used the swirl remover with a PC, I cannot attest to how effective it is by hand.
3M Imperial Hand Glaze
The glaze will not remove any of the swirls, it will be a temporary filler for light swirls. I have only used the swirl remover with a PC, I cannot attest to how effective it is by hand.
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