I am having a removal issue with Zaino. I am not a newbie, I have used their products over the course of two years. My problem is on the hood trunk lid and roof, after Z2 has dried certain areas are a ROYAL pain to remove. I get streaks were it was applied that are VERY difficult to remove. I am in Tampa so drying time is quick, I wait an hour just to be sure and have left it on over night just to see if that would help. I am wondering if less ZFX would be better for me to use? I have been filling a bottle just under half way and then using 4 drops of ZFX.
On my other vehicles (Mercedes and Chevy Avalanche) I used the old formulas and never had this problem. Any ideas???

 

Looks like you are using the proper amount. When I was using Zaino, Z2 or Z5 with ZFX, I used never more than half of the mixing bottle (3/4 to 1 ounce) with 3-4 drops of ZFX. With ZFX, it is ready to remove in 15 minutes. Cold temps and high humidity could impact, but not that much. Would NEVER recommend leaving on an hour or overnight with ZFX! Without ZFX, Z2 or Z5, will take 8-10 hours to properly dry. Again, this is driven by temp and humidity. I liked leaving it on "overnight", but NEVER do it with ZFX unless you are ready for a "ROYAL pain to remove".

 

Also, you do not have to use ZFX every time you use Z-2 or Z-5. Try removing the Zaino about 5 or 10 min after application in fast drying areas....

 

Ill try that tonight... check your pm

 

I am a fellow Tampa resident...and am having the same exact problem. The areas I put it on superthin are coming off ok...but anything thick enough to see will not dry and will not come off even when washed.

It doesn't matter how hot it is here. The relative humidity just won't let anything dry!

 

I feel your pain, I couldnt get it off after washing either. It takes a LOOOONNG time to get it off with a microfiber towel but it does come off. I am going to try Kevins suggestion to use it without ZFX.

 

As I stated and Kevin confirmed, you do not always have to use ZFX with Z2 or Z5. I didn't when I left it on "overnight". Without ZFX it is probably going to take 8-10 hours to dry. With your humility, could take longer. "Put it on thin! You should be able to do your "Z" with 3/4 of an ounce or less than half of the mixing bottle.

 

I didnt use ZFX when I put on Z5 tonight and it was dry in 10 minutes. Tonight was the coolest evening we have had since last winter.
I dont get it, whats the point of ZFX?
Like I said in my original post, I have used Zaino for a long time. However since I got the G I have used nothing but the new formula (about 25 coats on it) and everytime I have it left residue in areas and was VERY hard to get off.
Tonight was different, without ZFX it came off much easier and there was only a few spots that were tough, but nothing like my prior applications.
I am going to put some Z2 on tomorrow without ZFX and see what happens. I am thinking ZFX is a waste, I know for sure that with Z1 and Z2 (old stuff) there was never a removal issue.

 

It might be "dry" on the car but it will not CURE in 15 minutes without the ZFX.

You still need to leave it on there at least 6-8 hours I'd say.

I always do two layers WITH ZFX (2-4 drops usually) taking it off just about when I am finishing putting it on (30 mins or so) and then I do one layer without ZFX and leave it on in the garage overnight and take it off the next morning.

If you leave it on the car with ZFX any longer than necessary you will get streaks. I can usually get them off with the Z-6 detailing spray though. It does take a little rubbing though.

 

Bonz, That doesn't make any sense! Why would the ZFX be easy to get off in 30 minutes, but then leave streaks if allowed to cure overnight?...and remember, both Lorinser and I tried to remove it after 30 mins. That's why we let it "cure" overnight before attempting again. Not saying what you experienced didn't occur...just odd.

Lorinser...thanks, I will try it without the ZFX! That is after I remove the water spots I have with the claybar...gotta love SB. b.t.w. off topic, but are you going to the z club's poker run Sat.?

 

I've put on several coats of zaino and it's dried in 10 minutes. I did the "try smearing it with your finger and if it all comes off it's dry" test and it was fine. buffed off the zaino and it was SHINY! i've let it sit overnight on occassion with other layers and haven't really noticed a difference between 10 minutes and 10 hours. maybe i'm just not noticing but it does dry pretty quick if you have really thin layers. (so thin that you feel like you could drive around and most people wouldn't even notice that your car has anything on it, except maybe the glass)

i've also run into some problems taking the zaino off and the problem areas come right off when i use z6 on the car.

hope this helps, good luck

 

Bonz,
I do not doubt your wisdom with Zaino...
You say I need ZFX to cure, Kevin says its ok to use it without it. Which is it guys??

All I know it worked MUCH better without ZFX, no streaking and easier to remove. The whole car was dry in ten minutes in 75 degree weather with fairly low humidity.

So you are saying that if its dry it really isnt dry??!

I know for a fact I never had this issue with the older forumula of Zaino.
Anyway.... Kevins soultion works perfect for me.

 

first off i think the amount of zaino you are using is too much

i think i can do my car twice with a little under half or a mixing bottle

and the theory is this....without zfx you cant take it off too soon otherwise you may run into problems..and WITH zfx you cant wait too long otherwise youll run into problems

 

I think you misunderstood me. If you leave it on WITH ZFX too long, it will be hard to remove. It (for lack of a better word) "overcures" and is hard to remove. If you take it off sooner (under an hour) WITH ZFX, it is cured and ready to come off and shouldn't streak.

BOTH. If you are going to use ZFX, take it off in under and hour. It will be cured on the paint and should come off without streaks.

If you DO NOT use ZFX, you need to leave it on longer for it to cure. It will cure either way, but with ZFX it does so, much faster.



I think you are misunderstanding the terms CURE and DRY.

Drying is a physical property. It is basically an evaporation of the liquid componant of the polish.

Curing is a chemical property. It has to do with the bonding of molecules of polish onto the paint.

I'm no chemist nor do I design polishes but I think this is basically correct. Can anyone explain it better?

 

That was my problem...I tried removing it at 30 mins, then 1 hour, then 2 hours then the next day...I found that sections I laid on thin were easily removed from the beginning, but those areas I put on too thick or, worse, overlapped areas already covered (before they had a chance to dry) are still streaky/oily even after washing and Z6 application. What can I do in those places?

Thanks for taking the time to educate us neophytes.

 

Did you try washing again with Z-7? I'd do that, then dry. Then do a Z-6 application. That should get rid of the streaks.

 

The only way i get rid of the streaks is with the Z-6spray. Basically now when I go to remove the Z2 or 5 I just spray on Z-6 and wipe it down. That is honestly the only way I've gotten it to NOT have markes left over.

 

I never have problems with Zaino being hard to remove whether I leave it on a short time, over night, with ZFX or without. We get well into 90% humidity alot in Louisville all summer. Guess it would be easier if we could actually see what is done. With practice you should be able to get down to about 1/4 to 1/2 oz. per application which will definitely make it easier to remove. Dampening the applicator pad makes it easier to apply thin and smooth.

You want to use the ZFX the first time and then at least twice a year or every 10 layers. It doesn't have to be used every time. The benefits are quicker drying time, zero curing time, back to back coats, better bonding, shine, durability and protection, which is why many people use the ZFX every time, for the added benefits.

 

Dampening the applicator pad makes it easier to apply thin and smooth.




I have the same streaking problem at times. I always use ZFX when I apply. I also always moisten my applicator pad with water and try to wring it out as much as possible . I find it gets a little dry and needs to be re-moistened. (if that's a word). I am curious as to what you use to dampen your applicator pad. Water or z-6?

We have very, very hard water here in the area I live in PA. I just bought a water hose purifier recommended by Leo Cerruti from Dominique France Motorsports. It has made a world of a difference in the water spots. You can actually wash your car in the sun without water spots. Pretty amazing...anyway, I haven't tried the purified water in my applicator pad before applying my ZFX with Zaino. I wonder if that will make the difference.

 

That's what I tried this weekend and it worked world's better for me. I completely soaked the applicator, then wrung it out and squeezed it with a dry towel. I too noticed it started to get a bit dry towards the end, but if you flip it to the other side, you shouldn't have to re-moisten.

With a fully damp applicator I was able to apply very very thin coats, which ended up being only about 1/2 oz. each. With ZFX it was ready to be removed by the time I had made it around the car.

The only downside is that the "haze" is almost transparent. But I'll take that over streaks any day!