+1.

It's not on the list, but Ranger has the C5Z 1/4 record (bone stock also). It's in the 11's, no dr's. Most drivers need dr's to achieve though.

 

Considering some of them are posting 12.70's@108-109 (mod'd) with almost 2times the displacement I would say our cars DO NOT suck

Why even compare a 3.5L V6 car to a 5.7L/6.0L V8 car?

If anyone doesnt understand that new vettes with huge motors are FAST than they deserve to get blown out of the water

Stick to comparing 28K 3.5L V6 cars to eachother and see that unless your willing to spend almost double the price few NA V6's hold a candle to the Z

IF it takes 70K plus mods to run 9's what car could you build for that ......plenty of options to run 9's for less....does that mean the Zo6 sucks...hell no its still FAST stock

The GTR will be close in ET....but with the weight its gonna take some modding before it out traps a vette....but with bolt-ons I see the GTR running 10's within a year of its release in full street trim which most of those guys running vettes can only dream of

Compare the GTR to the Vette.....and the results will be ALOT closer

 

I thought that was what the OP was doing thats why I made that comment.

 

A 13 second car is a 13 second car, likewise for a 12 second car. Doesn't matter how big or what type of motor to get there.

I hate the ricer logic regarding displacement, as it serves no viable purpose other than to provide a crutch.

 

I wouldn't call it ricer logic. It's the exact reason why one car comes from the factory making 200hp more than the other. Price is also a factor.

Would I be driving a 350z if I could easily afford a c6 z06? Nope, probably not... But I also don't feel the need to compare the two cars as they're in totally different classes in regards to cost and performance.

Remember that the two easiest ways to make big power are to increase displacement or to force more air into the combustion chamber. Both of these methods cost money, and due to price restraints and the target audience of the 350z it includes neither.

As long as someone isn't saying their stock Z will beat a z06, then there's no reason to debate the issue. I think we're all fully aware that in stock form the z06 is much faster.

 

I agree they cars shouldn't be compared stock as well, but not because of displacement though. To me you compare the overall cost & performance of vehicles which are similar. There are 6 cylinders out there that make comparable power to the LS motors, but they are very expensive. It isn't just the motor that makes em different. The handling is better as well on the vette.

 

Riiiiight so why have different race classes if displacement doesnt matter

Next up --- Miata vs Veyron

Displacement doesnt matter

Displacement is POTENTIAL so two given cars with equal displacement theorhetically have near the same POTENTIAL for power production....design differences could display variances (short stroke/long stroke -- heads)

Comparing a 6.0L car and its POTENTIAL against the POTENTIAL of a 3.5L car is of no real use....both modded to the max there is little doubt on which engine will make more avg hp....

Weight is a variable as are a host of other so you can leave that out (the Z is heavier anyway)

When comparing you look down the spec sheet --- more cyls, more power, larger motor, lighter weight......what could you possibly really compare? The only thing they have in common is they have two seats and are FR's....a miata, solstice, S2000 match that....should we add them to the comparo too?

 

Here are some of the vehicles that fall within the same "B Stock" class the 350Z is in... These are the cars the Z should be compared with. Notice the huge variance in engine displacement in regards to the vehicles?


BMW M Coupe and Roadster ('96-'00) M3 (E30) M3 (E36)
BS Z3 6 cyl NOC
BS Chevrolet Corvette ('63-'82)
BS Chrysler Prowler
BS Ferrari 308, 328
BS Jaguar XKE (6- and 12-cyl)
BS Lotus Elan RWD Esprit Europa Twin Cam
BS Europa, Renault engine
BS Maserati Biturbo
BS Mazda RX-7 Turbo ('87-'91) RX-8
BS Mercedes SLK
BS Mini Cooper S (John Cooper "Works" Package) ('06+)
BS Morgan Plus 8
BS Nissan 300ZX Turbo ('90+) 350Z
BS Plymouth Prowler
BS Porsche 356, Carrera 4 cam 911, Club Sport 911, non-turbo, NOC
BS 914/6 928 (all) 944 (16V)
BS 944 Turbo (all) 968 Carrera 2, Carrera 4 (964 chassis)
BS TVR 8-cyl and V6
BS Toyota MR-2 Turbo

Overall, I believe you are misunderstanding me. The point I am making is that engine displacement is NOT a deciding factor on whether vehicles should be compared. Vehicles should be compared to those making similar power & similar handling, therefore, the Vette (C5+) are not comparable.

Want a good car to compare vs the 350Z? Choose the Mustang GT. Similar power numbers & similar straight line performance numbers.

 

I dont care about street registered cone chasers

RACE cars in a series usaully have very similar specs in displacement/number of cyls/fuel etc

To compare cars that have half the displacement or less and are similar in other regards isnt a real comparison other than a purely academic number crunch

Z = mid 13 sec V6
Vette = 12 sec V8
Z06 = 11 sec V8

WHich one is faster than the other? WHich one has the potential to be faster given equal chassis prep --- hint 6.0L > 3.5L

Your saying displacement shouldnt matter....its the basic starting block for power production...its matters ALOT...its a potential...not a guarantee...but all else being equal the math doesnt lie

 

Sure, the vette will stomp a Z in a drag race. I wouldn't ever 2nd guess it. It would take one hell of a crappy vette driver and a great Z driver for the Z to stand a chance. (I have seen some terrible vette drivers at the track though, lol)

But what about auto-x? I've driven a few vettes and they do not handle like my Z. It feels like a boat. For one, they have a longer wheel base. Two, the wieght distribution on a Z is much better. I'd like to see some auto-x numbers between a Z and a vette (especially a c5).

 

The last vette I drove around an autoX course in was an 05 auto....talk about throttle delay! nothing nothing EVERYTHING

I drove an RX8 auto around the same course and times were damn near the same with the edge going to the RX8

But again....cone chasing and road courses with long sweepers/straights....the Vettes are going to wofflestomp a Z....we would have to gut our Z's and throw some huge tires under it and supply it with a very large injection of power...then we might have a chance against a stock vette on an open road course....for weekend warrior cone chasers....built a go-kart and kick the crap out of pretty much everything that rolls into the paddock lol or a crazy miata with fender flares and 300hp....amazing autoX cars