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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sup3rduperZ
agreed I ran faster then that stock haha
Show us how it should be done here: https://my350z.com/forum/drag/233840-top-25-1-4-mile-times-for-tt-st-supercharger-nitrous-bolt-ons-stock.html.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Motormouth

now, with him being modded it makes no sense that he has not gained any MPH over a stock car. a Z should trap in the 102-104 range with those mods.
I would think you would need to know what the DA's of the track are to assume what it should be trapping. The altitude of the track is only one of the many factor that calculate DA's. Track preperation plays a role too.

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so the correction factors would be: 1200ft (elevation) - .9874 (E/T) - 1.0129 (MPH)

so how would his times NOT suck, DavidV?

a corrected 13.9, 100mph with mods like that is not a good run.
You cannot find the "correctional" times for a track with only its track altitude. You need to calculate its Density Altitude. There are many calculators out there

Too many people compare their times to other times which are at a completely different environment. Comparing similar times at well prepped track, with similar DA's is as closest as a "fair" comparison that can be done. (The only thing closer would be comparing two cars that ran at the same track, same day.

His times are good assuming the conditions were a little better than average. Ofcourse, he can still improve his time with more practice & on colder nights.

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
You cannot find the "correctional" times for a track with only its track altitude. You need to calculate its Density Altitude. There are many calculators out there

Too many people compare their times to other times which are at a completely different environment. Comparing similar times at well prepped track, with similar DA's is as closest as a "fair" comparison that can be done. (The only thing closer would be comparing two cars that ran at the same track, same day.

His times are good assuming the conditions were a little better than average. Ofcourse, he can still improve his time with more practice & on colder nights.

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+1000. DA is one of the biggest factors in regards to what time is obtained for the 1320.

This is one of the reasons I think the Top 25 list is crap. It rewards location more than driver skill. A mediocre driver can pull a very good time by driving so-so at a good track as compared to an excellent driver showing a slow time at a high DA track. A good example is the one member who just recently got a ~13.7-8 here in Vegas (NA mods). This driver didn't get a second glance from most of the members in the drag section, yet he technically outdrove most on the Top 25 NA list. A High 13, low 14 time in Vegas is equivelent to a low-mid 13 second run at MIR. But as I typed... The Top 25 list rewards location more than skill.

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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at all the noobs talking about his "slow" times.

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero
at all the noobs talking about his "slow" times.
Looks as if his times are just about average (definitely not slow). If he is able to better than 60', he could shave close to half a second from his time (don't know how the track prep where he races though, so may not be possible).
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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^weren't we discussing this a few weeks ago? I remember lots of yelling and cursing. If it's any consolation, I ran a 14.5 Supercharged DA owns
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
+1000. DA is one of the biggest factors in regards to what time is obtained for the 1320.

This is one of the reasons I think the Top 25 list is crap. It rewards location more than driver skill. A mediocre driver can pull a very good time by driving so-so at a good track as compared to an excellent driver showing a slow time at a high DA track. A good example is the one member who just recently got a ~13.7-8 here in Vegas (NA mods). This driver didn't get a second glance from most of the members in the drag section, yet he technically outdrove most on the Top 25 NA list. A High 13, low 14 time in Vegas is equivelent to a low-mid 13 second run at MIR. But as I typed... The Top 25 list rewards location more than skill.
Well, what would you recommend us to do??

SO your telling me ALL the time Chris and I have put into this list has been a big waste of our time??

Atleast there is a list

I agree, the DA or elevation of the track can be a big factor in the time you will run. But i cant help that some tracks arnt set up like others.

It is what it is

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aceman
Well, what would you recommend us to do??
Not much can be done. The list is great and gives a good idea of what the Zs are capable of doing, it just sucks for us with terrible DAs.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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Some of you guys need to learn to every once in a while. Quit complaining so damn much about this, that, but so and so, car, conditions, track, DA, elevation, etc.

https://my350z.com/forum/drag/312917-drag-race-forum-listen-up.html
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by aceman
Well, what would you recommend us to do??

SO your telling me ALL the time Chris and I have put into this list has been a big waste of our time??

Atleast there is a list

I agree, the DA or elevation of the track can be a big factor in the time you will run. But i cant help that some tracks arnt set up like others.

It is what it is

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Maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh then (apologies), as I realize a long time went in to the lists. However, if you are going to have a list recognizing the best drag racers on the forums, then DA should to be considered. As the fastest times does not necesarrily mean the best racers.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
Maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh then (apologies), as I realize a long time went in to the lists. However, if you are going to have a list recognizing the best drag racers on the forums, then DA should to be considered. As the fastest times does not necesarrily mean the best racers.
I dont mind someone posting how they dont like the way things are. But, if you are going to do so, then also post a valid way of making it better.

To many times people post that they dont like the way something is, and then they have no solutions to go with the negative post.

Im all for making the list better, but do you see the DA listed on the timeslips that people post up, or the elevation??

I dont

Just be positive guys, it goes along way in making this section a enjoyable one.

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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OP, sorry for being off-topic, but one more.

Including the DA is all good and dandy, but does that mean we should include "corrected times" as well? What about number of mods, whp, wtq, etc? The list will never be perfect and I hope you guys will realize that. However, the list does show a number of competent drivers and what the Nissan 350Z can be capable of, with or without mods, with or without proficient drivers.

From now on, I'll post my conditions along with the calculated DA when I post my timeslips.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by aceman
I dont mind someone posting how they dont like the way things are. But, if you are going to do so, then also post a valid way of making it better.
Honestly, the sollution would be too much work to be viable on this forum. Would require the individual drivers to be educated in how to calculate the correct DA for the time of the run. Then you run in to problems with improper calculations, dishonesty, etc. So can it be done? Yes. Is it worth the effort? Probably not. The Top 25 should not be a contest to determine who the best driver is though (which it is not an indicator) and should however, (as you pointed out) a source of information regarding the overall capabilities of the 350Z in a drag setting.

Just gets annoying sometimes when you see the idiotic posts from some of the members (who have no clue as to the multitude of conditions of certain tracks (based on location, prep, etc.). These are the people who cannot read a timeslip and are under the assumption that the ET is the end-all be-all of drag racing (when actually the numbers above the ET are more telling of a driver's skill) and make it a point of knocking a person's posted time because it may be 14+ seconds or whatnot.

<---Won't derail anymore in this thread.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by speedsniper
Went out to Firebird Raceway Friday night. I have a 03 350Z Base 6spd, My best was 14.060 @ 99.88mph

the rest where:
14.094 @101.46
14.373 @100.43
14.139 @100.98
14.444 @98.41 (let off in 3rd)
14.060 @99.88

What do u guys think.

Mods are: Injen Cold Air Intake, Powerlab Intake Plenum Spacer, and TiTek Stainless Steel Test Pipe, also I'm on Street Tires w/ stock wheels.


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Hey Speedsniper,

I have a base aswell.

You are almost hitting 102mph, thats not bad at all. You dont have a reflash or a tune of any kind? If you dont, then i would make that your next mod. It will improve your MPH and take better advantage of the mods that you do have.

What i would say is. Try launching around 2700rpm and feather the clutch out of the hole. Tire presure that seemed to work for me was around 25 to 27psi and i bumped the front tire presure to 40psi. Shift first gear at redline, second at redline and third around 6000rpm.

See what that does for you and let us know.

Hope this helps
And sorry for all the drama in your thread

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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 06:48 AM
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Thanks for all the comments, i want to get in to the 13's with out doing anymore mods, so ill try lowering the tire pressure and launching around 2500rpms.

i'm going back in a few weeks.


Thanks again for your guys help.
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how were you launching it previously?

and can you post the D.A.?
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Originally Posted by davidv
Show us how it should be done here: https://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233840.
lol davidv you are pathetic. did i ever claim to be a great drag racer? if you dont understand wtf a horrible 60ft then you need to stfu and keep to yourself. anyone who can drive a manual, even on their first attempt to launch a car should get something below a 3 second 60ft time. my first time out without knowing my tire pressure was at 42psi, 50 degree weather, with tcs on with wheel hop, i somehow managed a 2.6 60ft and yes i know that is horrible and yes i know i am newb at drag racing but sir, its really really difficult to get a 3 second 60ft unless you are trying to get a 3 second time.

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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
+1000. DA is one of the biggest factors in regards to what time is obtained for the 1320.

This is one of the reasons I think the Top 25 list is crap. It rewards location more than driver skill. A mediocre driver can pull a very good time by driving so-so at a good track as compared to an excellent driver showing a slow time at a high DA track. A good example is the one member who just recently got a ~13.7-8 here in Vegas (NA mods). This driver didn't get a second glance from most of the members in the drag section, yet he technically outdrove most on the Top 25 NA list. A High 13, low 14 time in Vegas is equivelent to a low-mid 13 second run at MIR. But as I typed... The Top 25 list rewards location more than skill.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero
Some of you guys need to learn to every once in a while. Quit complaining so damn much about this, that, but so and so, car, conditions, track, DA, elevation, etc.

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312917


LMAO! at the smileys!!!
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