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Old Feb 24, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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Did'nt mean to mess up the thread, don't like being called something from someone who does'nt know me.

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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 06:33 AM
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v-6 versus v-8 turbo, blow , gas both the same which one has more power and torque? Neal or Bri plz answer!
Do you have trouble with english? I had a really hard time deciphering what exactly you were trying to say.

V6 turbo vs v8 turbo is completely irrelevant here. Don't try to change the argument. The point is that you claimed the Z's V6 (with turbos) doesn't have enough low end torque to get out of the hole well. Obviously that's completely untrue and furthermore, low end torque is irrelevant to drag racing unless you have a auto transmission car with a really low stall.

I never drag race my car in a RPM range where low end torque would become an issue, and even if I did there is PLENTY of it with my V6.

Face the facts, you were wrong and you made yourself look like an idiot as you tried to defend your poorly though out point.
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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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My original post that you could not figure out was directed to post # 7. Also if you would answer the question of v-6 versus v-8 turbo blow or spray you would see that domestics have an advantage from the start, DISPLACEMENT, CC or CUBIC INCHES, pick one.

Also if a v-8 has more power below 3k will have more on top also. Given that both have turbo's.

Also never claimed anything about a turbo v-6 you assumed.

To many variables to answer the reason why z's are slower than american cars! Maybe 1
good reason, american cars have been going up and down the 1/4 from the begining of it!

I edited 2 of my post because of what 03threefiftyz posted ,made me see what i posted was wrong, thats why i apologized to craping on the thread.

I've been running the 1/4 since the late 70's, not my first day at the rodeo!

Learned one thing, every thing revolves around you and your 11 sec. z! Have a nice day!

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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizmo0395
My original post that you could not figure out was directed to post # 7. Also if you would answer the question of v-6 versus v-8 turbo blow or spray you would see that domestics have an advantage from the start, DISPLACEMENT, CC or CUBIC INCHES, pick one.

Also if a v-8 has more power below 3k will have more on top also. Given that both have turbo's.

Also never claimed anything about a turbo v-6 you assumed.

To many variables to answer the reason why z's are slower than american cars! Maybe 1
good reason, american cars have been going up and down the 1/4 from the begining of it!

I edited 2 of my post because of what 03threefiftyz posted ,made me see what i posted was wrong, thats why i apologized to craping on the thread.

I've been running the 1/4 since the late 70's, not my first day at the rodeo!

Learned one thing, every thing revolves around you and your 11 sec. z! Have a nice day!

lol I've never seen someone so clueless so convinced by their own stupidity.
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Old Mar 9, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizmo0395
My original post that you could not figure out was directed to post # 7. Also if you would answer the question of v-6 versus v-8 turbo blow or spray you would see that domestics have an advantage from the start, DISPLACEMENT, CC or CUBIC INCHES, pick one.

Also if a v-8 has more power below 3k will have more on top also. Given that both have turbo's.

Also never claimed anything about a turbo v-6 you assumed.

To many variables to answer the reason why z's are slower than american cars! Maybe 1
good reason, american cars have been going up and down the 1/4 from the begining of it!

I edited 2 of my post because of what 03threefiftyz posted ,made me see what i posted was wrong, thats why i apologized to craping on the thread.

I've been running the 1/4 since the late 70's, not my first day at the rodeo!

Learned one thing, every thing revolves around you and your 11 sec. z! Have a nice day!
The problem with your first post, as well as pretty much every subsequent post was that it was completely irrelevant to the question posed by the original poster of this thread.

If you wanted to respond to post #7, then you should have quoted that post in your response. As it was, it looked like you were responding to the OP.

Either way, I don't care how long you claim that you've been drag racing, it still doesn't change the fact that for a manual transmission car, low end torque is completely irrelevant when talking about 1/4 mile performance. Most high power Z's are 6MTs.

Finally, for someone who claims that it's not their "first day at the rodeo!", your grammar, punctuation, and overall sentence structure would make a first grader cringe. Do yourself a favor and take the advice of the others in this thread....stop posting.

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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 04:35 AM
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I don't have spell check, good thing you do! Only one said stop posting, thats because I told you to go frig yourself. Have a nice day!!!

I'll leave this thread with this thought,from a wiser man than me, and most others posting here.


Originally Posted by davidv
Hold on a second. Are you telling me that there are cars faster than the 350Z? How the hell did this happen?
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nizmo0395
I don't have spell check, good thing you do! Only one said stop posting, thats because I told you to go frig yourself. Have a nice day!!!

I'll leave this thread with this thought,from a wiser man than me, and most others posting here.

Nice strawman...

Never claimed the 350Z was faster than anything. Good try though.
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by davidv
Hold on a second. Are you telling me that there are cars faster than the 350Z? How the hell did this happen?
It hasn't, it's all a bad dream.
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lgerow
Power to weight ratio.




There's a serious problem here!!!!!
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nizmo0395
My original post that you could not figure out was directed to post # 7. Also if you would answer the question of v-6 versus v-8 turbo blow or spray you would see that domestics have an advantage from the start, DISPLACEMENT, CC or CUBIC INCHES, pick one.

Also if a v-8 has more power below 3k will have more on top also. Given that both have turbo's.

Also never claimed anything about a turbo v-6 you assumed.

To many variables to answer the reason why z's are slower than american cars! Maybe 1
good reason, american cars have been going up and down the 1/4 from the begining of it!

I edited 2 of my post because of what 03threefiftyz posted ,made me see what i posted was wrong, thats why i apologized to craping on the thread.

I've been running the 1/4 since the late 70's, not my first day at the rodeo!

Learned one thing, every thing revolves around you and your 11 sec. z! Have a nice day!
Alot of these mega builds are not worth the oil in their galleys!! Need more than just name brand parts to make a winner!!


IMHO a car with a trap speed in the mid 130's should be running lo 11's to mid 10's.

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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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The saying goes-No replacement for displacement. In pinks all out there was a C63 only boltons ran a 11.2@124. With just a tune on the C63 your in the 11s@119. 6.3 AMG motor loves to breathe.
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Originally Posted by JonsilvZ
The saying goes-No replacement for displacement. In pinks all out there was a C63 only boltons ran a 11.2@124. With just a tune on the C63 your in the 11s@119. 6.3 AMG motor loves to breathe.
There are two replacements for displacement. Boost and revs. Torque multiplication is a beautiful thing.

Try revving that 6.3 AMG motor to 9000rpms....
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 08:06 AM
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not to mention every engine loves to breathe - that's all their job is to do
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
There are two replacements for displacement. Boost and revs. Torque multiplication is a beautiful thing.

Try revving that 6.3 AMG motor to 9000rpms....
6.3 AMG revs to 7200rpm not bad for a big motor
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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with balanced internals and as much upgrade work that the VQ needs to rev to 9000, you could do the same on the Merc
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
with balanced internals and as much upgrade work that the VQ needs to rev to 9000, you could do the same on the Merc
Who doesn't run balanced internals on ANY motor? LOL. (you probably think "balancing and blueprinting" is some "extra" feature in a motor build) For the record, I wasn't talking about the VQ in particular. I was talking about low displacement motors being able to rev higher than high displacement motors. It's all about physics. There are two ways you get big displacement, larger bore (which means bigger, heavier pistons), and longer stroke (which means higher piston speeds at any given RPM).

Smaller parts moving put less stress on the crank than larger parts. Therefore, smaller bore motors can rev higher than larger bore motors. The same goes for longer stroke, the increased piston speeds put LOTS more stress on the rods/crankshaft.

As for the VQ vs. the 6.2 Mercedes V8, the V8 has larger pistons AND longer stroke, therefore the V8 @ 9000rpms (if it could even rev that high without sending pistons through the head) will have A LOT more internal stress than a VQ @ 9000rpms (which doesn't take anything special. BREATHING @ 9000rpms DOES.)

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