jackie chan

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a 3300 lb car only needs about mid 300's to go 11's with the right gearing and tire. hell my friend does it in his 92 lx coupe with 275 and a c4(of course it only weighs 2900lbs or so with him in it)

like said other factors come into play other than hp

ZainT

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Yes, I am pretty certain I can keep a consistant low to mid 11's with slicks. I am only worried about breaking my rear end with slicks and having 418 ft. lbs. I know most have not broke theirs with slicks.. I guess I am just a little bit chicken.

:bow:

exactly you don't need to be only shooting for HP in order to get into the 11's.. traction... weight... gearing... all can be changed to help aid the end result.

Eric1h

Ummm, you'd need a lot more than mid 300's to run mid 11's!


I can run a low 12 high 11's in my VIper with 450-460hp and it only weighs a 100 or so lbs more than the 350Z!

Youd'd need a minumum of 450-500hp to run mid 11's

a buddy of mine in his VIper has 535RWHP and he was running 11.4's all day.

BriGuyMax

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I don't think you're taking into account gearing and slicks.

With a really agressive rear end and a 1.4-1.5 60' I could see a mid 300s rwhp car going 11s...

Eric1h

Good luck with that.....a 535whp viper with drag radials and a 3.07 rear end is barely pushing 1.8's

My Z had a little over 300 crank hp and it was pushing high 13's.



maybe if you pulled out the engine to save the added weight you could get 11's in a 300hp 350Z hehehe ;-) JK

BriGuyMax

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and I pulled a 13.3 with around 300 crank hp in my Z...so I guess that really screws up your argument...

plus 3.07 rear end and DRs is NOT a formula for good E.T.s per hp....especially with weak *** 1.8 60' times...

BTW if you think HP has anything to do with 60' times you're an idiot.

Eric1h

hey listen, i was having a decent conversation with you, obviously you are not adult enough to have one without callling names, so i am done.......get your 11 second 300hp car and head down to raleigh and i'll show you how much HP you dont have!

BriGuyMax

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Because I said that my 300hp car could go 11s

I didn't call anyone any names, but I can assume from your post that you DO think that hp has something to do with 60' times. So in that case, refer to my previous post.

I'm not adult enough, yet you seem to want to swing your nuts around about how much hp you have. Does that make ANY sense??

READING COMPREHENSION OWNS YOU.

Eric1h

last i checked......calling someone an idiot is a name.........feel free to email me your time slip when you hit those mid 11's

and for the record i am not "swinging my nuts" ove rhow much HP, just stating the facts, if a 450hp with a GREAT launch can barely do mid 11's how do you think a 300hp car will? Just dont see it. Some of the BEST 350Z times i have seen on this site with some of the 400+hp 350z arent pulling mid 11's (or are just barely) Hell even those maniacs running the 375 only ran a mid 11(granted they blew their engine)

All i'm saying is........good luck with that!

Nothing to be defensive about, difference of opinion. 350Z is a great car, i loved mine to death and made one HELLUVA road course car..........but even for the above average owner, it'll never be a mean 11 second dragster

FairladyZ

A 2002 405hp ZO6 can run a mid 12 stock. They average dyno around 360wrhp. It all depends on weight, gearing, launch, power and where you are in your power band. Dont forget time of year, day, altitude.

offtopic: Why did you sell your 350Z Eric?

Eric1h

honestly, i got bored. Not that it wasnt a great car. i have a tendancy to buy a car, build it as much as possible, within reason and then get bored... I am a true car guy and the journey for me is the most fun, once its done i have too much darn freetime. I had done all i could do without going FI, which significantly lowers the reliability of the car.........

That and i wanted a dedicated track car and i have ALWAYS wanted a viper, it was the one car i have lusted over since it hit the showroom in 92 and I am finally in a place in my life i could make it happen.

I miss my Z it was/is a whole different driving experience compared to the Viper.


and youre right on the money with the Z06 my best time on Sunday at the drag strip was against a "slightly" mod'd Z06 and he ran a 12.5ish, but if i remember correctly the Z06 only weighs like 3000lbs or less, right?

FairladyZ

ahh, I see. I bet you miss the dvd too. They weigh 3116lbs. Lighter than the regular vette.

jackie chan

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ok here are some real world cars matching up to the POTENTIAL i was talking about.


12.0 car @3050lbs with 29x rwhp:

http://forums.modulardepot.com/flysh...&s=&showid=156

11.50 car @ 3015lbs and about 330rwhp:

http://forums.modulardepot.com/flysh...&s=&showid=202


This one is a bit extreme but a 10sec car with a 2900lb race weight and about 370rwhp hmmm:
http://forums.modulardepot.com/flysh...&s=&showid=150


What I am also saying is that if you had a FI z you would only need mid to upper 300s to have an 11sec car if you set up the suspension correctly for the drag strip. I am assuming a race weight of roughly 3450lbs...

these are just a few examples, but power, traction, weight and gearing are the factors. Look at my combo of power to weight and what my car has done. I had a lot of people telling me my car would never touch 12's, hell most people thought i wouldn't even touch low 13's with this setup.

jackie chan

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what you have is a lack of traction, that is all. I pull low 1.9s on street tires, and my friends that use drag radials on stock wheels cut low 1.7s. 1.8s are not very good 60's IMO with anything better than a box stock street tire. I am sure your mph is good, probably in the 120range

FairladyZ

jackie

You are a hardcore drag racer. You times are great! Your 60's are impressive. The numbers you posted of the other stangs yeah there impressive, but street driving some of those cars would be rediculous. Yeah you can do it but you sacrifice alot.

I bet those guys are in 5th gear b4 they cross the line. 4.56's...

Eric1h

exactly.....what i wanna know is what did that guy do to get his Mustang down to 3000lbs? thats like a 400LBS weight savings!!

certainly impressive #'s...

Again, im not saying its IMPOSSIBLE, just very unlikely you'll ever see it in 99% of the 350Z's on the road.....

jackie chan

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i would say the stuff i posted was more of a base of knowledge to guage the potential. Say instead of a 3000lb race weight car going 12.7s with 320rwhp, you have a 3400lb car. Well simple drag racing mathematics will tell you you would need to add at least 40 more rwhp to run the same ET at that weight. As far as gearing goes, my car has a 4.10 rear end and I cruise about 2950rpms @ 80 mph, about the same rpms the z i drive back and forth to work does. Stepping up to a 4.30 gears would raise that number to about 3250rpms @ 80.

Eric1h

Agreed, and i think we are saying the same thing......if a 3400lbs car requires say 360rwhp to pull mid 12's you would need much more than that to drop a full second to get to mid 11's which puts you back @ where i stated at 400-450hp to pull mid 11's

jackie chan

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im sorry i meant 11.7s not 12.7s. so nope we are talking about different things. just to put your numbers into perspective, my car in sea level conditions is tickling 12.7s @ 3500+ lbs race weight and only about 250-260 rwhp.

Eric1h

well, i would love to see it, but dont think you'll see that anytime soon in a 350Z, maybe when the 360Z hits the streets..... ;-)