Not sure if you're joking or not, but it's a pretty big, clear pic on my systems. Make sure your web browser isn't auto-resizing it down to fit your window. That always makes things like text look like junk. They are often set to do that by default. You normal just have to click on it again to make it full size. (That's how Firefox does it, anyway.)

 

In order to get my business for the Cams and head work, Crawford would have to do the work with TechnoSquare to get a 2004.5 Reflash.

Call it the Complete Crawford Reflash if you like, but I can't afford to drop $2-$5K on this set up (price yet TBD) and then dyno (~$75-$100), send ECU and A/F results to TS (pay ~$600 for the reflash), wait 3 days (rent a car for ~$100), get the ECU back, re-dyno (~$75-$100) and then go through all of these steps 2, 3, 4, 5 or more times just to get the ECU "tuned" to the vehicle.

Those of us with VIN's in the ...800,000 and up range are really getting shafted with the good mod packages.

I hope Doug watches out for us too. He'd definitely get to meet this Florida guy if he does.

 

You have been told, but I dont think you listen.

BUT, I know! I know!



Remember he is not done yet . . .I think we are trying yet another head job (sounds like fun) and cam shafts (yes with my previous statement I had to add the word shaft).

For those people that are close, look at making it to our upcoming show:

http://www.middletennesseezclub.com/

 

Well as long as TS can mimick what they have done (/ will do) to Dougs ecu, all is good. Someone will have to take the plunge and be a test bunny for the 2004.5.

 

Nice numbers and powerband on the Crawford car, but I am a little dissapointed in the peak hp numbers, Ive seen a guy hit 280 rwhp 270 ft lbs with JWT cams, and no head work. Im guessing the cams are not very aggressive?? Also, the TQ curve is nice, but peaks at only 249 ft lbs, I have 253 ft lbs and I dont even have headers, cams, or head work, I would have guessed at least another 10-15ft lbs from the cams and headers on top of that. Anyways, dont mean any disrespect to Crawford, just my opinion. Id love to see a video of that car pulling through 3rd and 4th gear, must be nice.

 

Not it!

 

Too late, LouZer... I already ran this by Doug directly long ago with an open invite whenever they're ready to try a Crawford FI package. You can be FI test car #2 if you like.


As for the bimmer comparison...
I'll put a stock Z up against a stock M3 in the twisties every day of the week. So, Doug's massaged one should make a meal out of the average M3 anywhere. Of course, it's the non-average M3s you gotta watch out for!

The one thing I am jealous of on that dyno is the extra rev range the M3 has...

 

Haha, even after a shift doug is still higher in the powerband. Just a waste of revs in this case for the M3. But there is something about a 6cyl that sings above 7000 rpm.

 

I don't see how anyone could ever get a "flash" correct using this mothod. I think you would have to get pretty lucky just to be lucky. All these TS flashes out there. I bet none of them are even close to what they could or should be, except the ones that were done in the car at TS on a dyno. Those would have to be more in the ball park, imo. Wouldn't it be great if a Z specialty shop had their own dyno and someone who actually knew how to operate the thing? A flash! No, I think a piggy back programmed and tuned off of the appropriate dyno. Well that's neither here nor there!! I just don't believe in this whole shipping your chip off to be flashed thing.

 

I dont want to tell specifics, but I am almost positive that Doug is running the most aggressive Intake cam of any street driven Z car. I dont even think that anyone sells anything close to what he is running.

I really need to get a video of the idle. Best of all with the combination of intake cams, exhaust cams, and head work . . . no check engine lights. He has the right idea on what works together to get the power and keep the drivability and emissions in check, now he will be tweaking to hit the number he wants. It has been a battle, but I think it will be worth it for those of you who want to go this route.

 

very very nice. somewhat off topic but would this setup work well with some juice? I'm guressing yeah but correct me if I am wrong.

 

price? ("comparable to FI" is too vague for me)

 

I would be dissapointed with all those mods and an aggressive cam, and not be 300rwhp or damn near close, especially with headwork. Are you guys still playing with a/f ratio's and reflashing? Still messing around with timing in certain parts of the powerband? Ive seen a few people hit numbers like this with NO headwork, and higher TQ numbers. Can you give any details about the headwork that was performed? The overall gain is great imo(from most stock baselines of 230 ish), but I cant help compare my car to Doug's, he has headwork, headers and cams over me, and puts down +22 rwhp with less TQ. It wouldnt be worth it to me to spend $$ on cams, spend a lot on pulling the heads, getting the work done, labor to put the heads back together, and back in the car (downtime) and on top of that pay for headers. And Im not gonna get into reflashing the ECU till its good for my car. I know your gonna say you cant compare one car's dyno numbers to another, but that is a lot of work and money for 20 whp and less TQ.

Imo too much money and trouble to be spent with not enough gain to show for it-with this package at least. Like I said Ive seen 280 rwhp and 270 ft lbs with a car with JWT cams and no headwork, and I know Mike Edens hit 300 rwhp with "headwork" and other cams. Sowething is not working right, because the hp should be slightly higher, and the TQ definetely needs to come up. Just my opinion, flame away....

 

Well you do have some legit concerns. The fact is Doug wants to hit 300 as well. The heads are way over worked on the exhaust side which is causing problems on the intake side. Doug is working on it.

I don’t know if Mike (mjedens) would want me to say this but I don’t think he cares . . .He and Doug dynoed on the same day at the same dyno a couple weeks back (a shoot out if you will) and Doug's numbers were better!

Remember the goal is High N/A power (300ish) from basic Crawford parts + intake cams + exhaust cams + headwork + tuning while keeping stock valve train, emissions legal, easy drivability, and NO CEL's.

If all he can squeak out is 284, 290, or 295 then thats all he can do. Most people who are attempting the high n/a power don’t have the same constraints Doug is binding himself too.

 

how do you know that guy didn't have a base dyno of 260 or so stock on that particular dyno, on that particular day, at that particular location, at that particular altitude, with that particular weather?

it could be with doug's heads and cams that dude would be up to "330whp"

 

emissons legal according to what state? People like me and many other live in CA where emissions are crazy strict. Is Doug and the rest of Crawford shooting to satisfy the legal emission standards for CA ?

If Doug is trying to comprimize emission standards and power then shooting for 300ish is great.

perhaps there are some die-hard folks out there who does not care for emissions and would just like raw power. Could Crawford be able to make a version with more HP but does not pass emissions?

BTW: Is this package going to receive a carb cert sticker or any evideance that it will be emission legal?

 

ya, as a daily driver in cali, i would need it to pass smog, emissions-wise.

 

As a daily driver in FL, I wouldn't.

 

In order for a auto manufacturer to sell a car in this country the model must go thru some EPA tests to the EPA's standards. For emmisions a car is actually put inside a "bubble" and run inside of it. Emmisions are taken at many engine circumstances like startup, cold, hot, etc. So the car is tuned for these tests to ensure it's certification. When the car passes the EPA tests all subsequent production models to be sold in the US are tuned just like the one in the bubble test. Suffice it to say, there is a lot of room to tune the car up and still pass Ca. emmisions. By tune it up I mean just tweak the computer on a dyno with the use of a piggy back computer, a crank angle sensor and such. So the factory computer still is not changed, but it's inputs are used by the piggy back using a whole new set of instructions that you can tweak. Their could be up to 25 whp in there that 350Z VQ and Nissan engineers tuned it out just to pass EPA.
It could still pass Ca. emmisions though if it were put back in.
So the point is I think you might still be OK with Crawford's package because their is room to roam in there. But I guess you might not really know until the real test is tried.

 

Interesting post, Zon. Is that "bubble" procedure required to obtain CARB certification? I have heard that getting CARB certified is a real pain, but I've never heard about the testing required.