Notices
Engine & Drivetrain VQ Power and Delivery

Need Advice...Oil Filter

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 11:32 AM
  #21  
350Zteve's Avatar
350Zteve
Registered User
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,432
Likes: 2
From: So. Cal.
Default

Good reading

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 01:55 PM
  #22  
Wired 24/7's Avatar
Wired 24/7
Dr. Wired
Premier Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 17,582
Likes: 9
From: San Mateo, CA
Default

Originally Posted by 350Zteve
Wow no comment about K&N?

Anyway they still say FRAM is pretty much the only widely-available sh1tty filter ... I'm convinced K&N is fine
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 04:33 PM
  #23  
undrgnd's Avatar
undrgnd
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,203
Likes: 1
From: MD
Default

Mobil 1 has been shown to be one of the best, if not THE best, oil filter. There are others that will do just fine, but if you want the best, Mobil 1. Pics and analyses below. WARNING: A lot of reading.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

Last edited by undrgnd; Oct 3, 2006 at 04:35 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2006 | 10:31 PM
  #24  
Wired 24/7's Avatar
Wired 24/7
Dr. Wired
Premier Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 17,582
Likes: 9
From: San Mateo, CA
Default

Originally Posted by undrgnd
Mobil 1 has been shown to be one of the best, if not THE best, oil filter. There are others that will do just fine, but if you want the best, Mobil 1. Pics and analyses below. WARNING: A lot of reading.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
Great info!

I hope K&N turns out to be as good as Mobil1!
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 06:31 AM
  #25  
chimmike's Avatar
chimmike
Registered User
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,254
Likes: 0
From: Bradenton/Sarasota
Default

Bob is the oil guy is the premier site for oil analysis and discussion along with filter information. Check them out.

K&Ns aren't the best filtering but they flow significantly more than many other filers and still filter very well.
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 03:48 PM
  #26  
undrgnd's Avatar
undrgnd
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,203
Likes: 1
From: MD
Default

About 3/4 of the way down on this page is a discussion of oil filters when using synthetic motor oil, and more links on oil filters. The subject of synthetic lubricants is also discussed in depth.

Click me
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 04:00 PM
  #27  
i8acobra's Avatar
i8acobra
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,033
Likes: 1,337
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

I use Frams in the Mud-Mobile. 440,000 miles and counting.
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 04:27 PM
  #28  
StreetOC192's Avatar
StreetOC192
Registered User
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,136
Likes: 0
From: NJ
Default

The Purolator Pure One and the Mobil 1 are two of the top filters in this study.....

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...lterstudy.html

I personally use Purolator Pure One. Best filter for the price.

Last edited by StreetOC192; Oct 4, 2006 at 04:31 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2006 | 06:46 AM
  #29  
KnightRiders79's Avatar
KnightRiders79
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Florida
Default

wix makes a great filter, it has a reverse drain bolt so that the clean oil doesnt flow through the dirt. u can get them as a napa gold, if napa is in ur area or blue something, i dont remember.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2006 | 06:52 AM
  #30  
NISSANGLEN's Avatar
NISSANGLEN
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: HUNTINGTON BEACH CA.
Default

The correct factory part # is 15208-65F00 for 350Z
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2006 | 07:15 AM
  #31  
NISSANGLEN's Avatar
NISSANGLEN
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: HUNTINGTON BEACH CA.
Default

The correct factory part # is 15208-65F00 for 350Z
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2006 | 07:57 AM
  #32  
Theatrix's Avatar
Theatrix
Professional
Premier Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 0
From: Zoo Jersey
Default

Amsoil Synthetic Oil and filters
Reply
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 09:12 AM
  #33  
Nucleus's Avatar
Nucleus
Registered User
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 450
Likes: 0
From: Newtown, PA
Default

These are the 2 I like:

KNN - HP-1008

MOBILE 1 - M1-108
Reply
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 10:40 AM
  #34  
Resolute's Avatar
Resolute
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,097
Likes: 3
From: @7000 ft
Default

The K&N and the Mobil 1 oil filters are the same exact filter, just FYI. Both are made by Champion Labs, and have the exact same construction. The K&N just has the 1" nut tacked on the end of the filter. Otherwise, they will perform the same.
Will
Reply
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 10:48 AM
  #35  
Resolute's Avatar
Resolute
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,097
Likes: 3
From: @7000 ft
Default

I guess I'll throw my opinion in on this too. I don't like the PureOne simply because it has been shown to be too restrictive to oil flow, but it filters like a champ. I'm sure it's good to use, but I'm not comfortable with how restrictive it is. The M1/K&N are great filters, but expensive as all hell. I'd rather put the money into a good oil rather than the filter, but if you can do both then more power to ya. I mostly use the stock Nissan filter. I figure if 90% of the SE-R cup guys use it on their race cars (it's the same filter as the SR20 uses) then it has to hold up just fine. As far as Fram goes, I think that's just pure crap. I used to use it on my old International, and had a horrible valve tap at start-up when using the Fram. As soon as I changed filters to an AC Delco, it stopped. Switched back and it came back. I found out the Fram uses a cheap cardboard anti-drainback valve that disintigrated on me after a few starts, and then I was starting the engine with the head dry. never happened on any other filter that used a rubber or silicone valve.
Will
Reply
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 11:40 AM
  #36  
VO...'s Avatar
VO...
Administrator
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 58,609
Likes: 2,747
From: Down Under & Dirty
Default

I found this bit of info during my search if anyone is interested...

K&N oil filter
HP-1008 Product Specifications
Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 2.91 in (74 mm)
Outside Diameter: 2.656 in (67 mm)
PSI Relief Valve: 11-17
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Style: Canister
Weight: 0.5 lb (0.2 kg)
Product Box Length: 3.15 in (80 mm)
Product Box Width: 3.15 in (80 mm)
Product Box Height: 2.91 in (74 mm)
-------------------------------------------

Other oil filter/brands
Manufacturer Part Number
AC PF1237
FRAM PH5541
FRAM PH6607
MOTORCRAFT FL816
PURO L14612
WIX 51365
Reply
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 12:53 PM
  #37  
redlude97's Avatar
redlude97
Registered User
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,754
Likes: 0
From: Seattle/Portland
Default

Originally Posted by Resolute
I guess I'll throw my opinion in on this too. I don't like the PureOne simply because it has been shown to be too restrictive to oil flow, but it filters like a champ. I'm sure it's good to use, but I'm not comfortable with how restrictive it is. The M1/K&N are great filters, but expensive as all hell. I'd rather put the money into a good oil rather than the filter, but if you can do both then more power to ya. I mostly use the stock Nissan filter. I figure if 90% of the SE-R cup guys use it on their race cars (it's the same filter as the SR20 uses) then it has to hold up just fine. As far as Fram goes, I think that's just pure crap. I used to use it on my old International, and had a horrible valve tap at start-up when using the Fram. As soon as I changed filters to an AC Delco, it stopped. Switched back and it came back. I found out the Fram uses a cheap cardboard anti-drainback valve that disintigrated on me after a few starts, and then I was starting the engine with the head dry. never happened on any other filter that used a rubber or silicone valve.
Will
Borrowed from 6mt.net
Originally Posted by Torkaholic
This one applies equally to Sedans and Coupes, but I'm putting it here since the Coupe section has the most traffic.

At the dealer recently, I got the usual song-and-dance about how I should really be using the Nissan OEM oil filter. I've been experimenting, using Mobil-1 and K&N. Both are made by the same mfr (Champion Labs), but their respective filtration media have different emphasis, max filtering for the M1, and best flow for the K&N.



For those of you who've dug into such things, you probably know that Fram has the worst reputation amongst widely available oil filters. They tend to have flimsy cans and, most disturbingly, their filter elements are made with weak cardboard end caps that can collapse or fragment in hot oil. Good filters, like M1 and K&N are made with heavy metal "skeletons" that will neither collapse nor break down in hot oil.



By the way, I'm not conjecturing about all this, I've dissected a growing number of different filters (eight now) to see for myself. With a $20 pipe cutter, it's ridiculously easy to take even a hefty-looking K&N apart in 30 seconds.



Well, egged on by the dealer's scolding for non-use of OEM parts, I bought myself a 65F00, the stock-size (thimble) filter specified for the G35's VQ35 engine, and just cut it up. Imagine my shock and disappointment when I cut this thing open and found that it is little more than a Fram hiding in white paint!!! I will give them a little credit in that the bypass valve is metal, where Fram's is plastic, but otherwise, it's a copy of a Fram.



I've read some posts on the internet defending Fram. Of course, it's a free country and you can use whatever you want. If, against all odds, I decided I wanted this sort of filter, I'd go pay $2.50 for a "real" Fram not $10 at the dealer for one that's painted white.



See for yourself:

Here's the can of the just-cut filter:

Here's the entire set of guts laid out to see:

Here's the infamous Fram style cardboard endcap:

And why might this be a problem? I inflicted the damage in this picture with two bare fingers and only moderate pressure:

You won't be doing that to the metal end caps in a Mobil-1, K&N, Amsoil, or Hastings filter.

Note also the cheap nitrile rubber (black) ADBV. A top-notch filter will have one made of silicone (typically orange colored)

I'll be sticking with the aftermarket filters for my VQ.

My apologies for the length -- I get a little over-excited about these maintenance "issues," especially when I smell a rip off.
Reply
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 01:07 PM
  #38  
VO...'s Avatar
VO...
Administrator
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 58,609
Likes: 2,747
From: Down Under & Dirty
Default

^^ From my recent search today, that would be correct the model illustrated above is the cheap OEM version. The good one would be the model 9E000.
Reply
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 01:11 PM
  #39  
Resolute's Avatar
Resolute
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,097
Likes: 3
From: @7000 ft
Default

Good find. The bit about crushing the filter media with his hands is unapplicable to the use of the filter, but the rest is good. I always wanted to cut open the filter, and just never did. The Fram's cardboard end caps are a little disturbing, but it was the crappy ADBV that caused issues with my old IH 345 engine. The Nissan oil filter seems to have a better anti-drain back valve, but cardboard endcaps just seems wrong on an engine that seems fairly high oil pressures- so I get his point on crushing them with his hands.

I thought Denso made the OEM filters?

To be fair, I have been using the longer M1 filter for the last two changes and noticed they changed their design of the bypass by ditching the metal spring for plastic. The K&N still uses the metal spring, but I don't think it makes a difference.

Will
Reply
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 01:31 PM
  #40  
redlude97's Avatar
redlude97
Registered User
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,754
Likes: 0
From: Seattle/Portland
Default

Originally Posted by Resolute
Good find. The bit about crushing the filter media with his hands is unapplicable to the use of the filter, but the rest is good. I always wanted to cut open the filter, and just never did. The Fram's cardboard end caps are a little disturbing, but it was the crappy ADBV that caused issues with my old IH 345 engine. The Nissan oil filter seems to have a better anti-drain back valve, but cardboard endcaps just seems wrong on an engine that seems fairly high oil pressures- so I get his point on crushing them with his hands.

I thought Denso made the OEM filters?

To be fair, I have been using the longer M1 filter for the last two changes and noticed they changed their design of the bypass by ditching the metal spring for plastic. The K&N still uses the metal spring, but I don't think it makes a difference.

Will
I didn't make any comment regarding this filter, just showing the construction of it. If you look closely in the second pic, you can see the "made in japan" stamp, so I doubt its made by fram, it just has similar construction. I'd like to see the construction of the 9E000 filter though, I've been using the puralator pureones, but may switch to either the mobil1 or napa filter next time
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:13 AM.