SoCalKid- power does matter. Most races on the street start from a roll and that's when HP (and driving skills) matter big time. Times are mostly for the track and occasional stop light races. When I had my 99 Gs-t, I just wanted to make power. I wasn't worried about lowering my times, because I was just gonna break **** on my fwd. On the street and from a roll, the car was fast and would put my Z to shame. HP matters.

Ares- The EVO is quicker, not faster stk. Currently, 19psi is what the EVO is supposed to be running stk and the turbo is good for a couple more pounds of boost. You're just guessing at what the Z would run with X amount of psi. There are no concrete numbers for the Z with forced induction so anything you just said went out the window.

My Talon- I agree. I'm happy with my Z too and I know soon there will be some pretty fast Z's out there (including mine ) with or without boost.

 

I own a current model WRX Sti...for the next day until I pick up the Z so its an interesting thread.

The STi in Australia is rated at 195kw and 343Nm of torque (5.45sec 0 - 60mph) vs the Z at 206kW and 363Nm of Torque and 0-60mph at 6.0.

Interesting this is most people cannot get the STi, or the EVO for that matter off the line clean and get those times. Unless you REALLY rev it up and side step the clutch you wont be getting great times on the stock cars.

Looking at the times some of you guys are getting on the QTR on this list it is the same as my STi and the EVO in stock trims so on the street it wont be an issue. At the drags though it depends on the driver.....

The issue is that its VERY easy to get decent gains out of the turbo cars as you know. I can spend $800 US on an exhaust, $150 US on CAI, and $50 on a manual boost controller and get 180kW at the wheels dyno proven! The STi is then a different game!

Anyway it was an easy decision to get rid of a 11 mth old STi and get into the Z. With an exhaust, maybe some extractors and CAI it will be one hell of a car...maybe not the quickest but damn fun and looks awesome.

One thing to keep in mind is the STi and the EVO are 10K USD cars with go fast bits. Drive one for a while and you will see what I mean. Get to work on some extra power on the Z !!!!!

Mike

 

actually there was the info that greddy was running .5bar I think, maybe .7 and did a 12.9. hmmmmmmm

 

ares- According to Greddy's site, the Z is running 0.45 bar, but I don't see track times. In another thread, people were talking about it, but I don't see Greddy revealing those times. Now if there's actual proof via video, or a link to the timeslip, then I stand corrected, otherwise it's all rumors.

 

yes it is all rumors, the rumor goes that greddy ran at a track, and that was the ET. but it might be false.

 

evo boosts 18 stock
so im not too worried about someone throwing a boost controller on it and making it fast
the internals are already different from a DSMs 4g63 so im not worried about people messing with that
from a roll well best it
some light mods and well be able to beat it from a launch

 

I respectfully disagree with the "potential" statement you made. No matter what the EVO is going to make more for the same amount of $$ you throw at it and that's what i classify as potential. saying "if this X NA car ran the same amount of boost as this Y TC car..." is a very bad comparison. no offense, but it reminds me of the people at clubrsx.com talking about wrx's .

 

considering the amount WRX talk down on rsx's i thought ti was ironic that hondata made it possible for the RSX to beat a WRX

 

Are you considering bigger turbines to be "bolt-ons" also, because without that and bigger injectors, there is no way you are doubling the HP.

 

Yeah Hondata was this $hit for the RSX! It is so amazing how detuned the RSX is from the factory! I have one and I'm hoping that someone can do that wiht the Z's ECU!!!

 

from what i hear about nismos ecu itll give a good amount of power but also anyother aftermarket stuff will be better because the computer wont try to correct for it anymore.
now if they just would get their butts in gear and come out with the R tune(and make it possible for the G35coupe)

 

Yeah I used to own an rsx-s. They were detuned alot. I never got a hondata ECU, but I wanted one. With a CAI, Exhuast, Headers, and ecu, what was the rsx-s doin 0-60?

Anyways, I love my z! ANd about this evo sti stuff. YEs it's cheaper to mod them and make them quick as hell...but once a turbo gets thrown on a z along with some other mods, won't teh Z hand those cars their asses??

 

as long as our speed compensates for their handling
they have great handling as it is, when its improved itll be amazing

 

i went to a mitsubishi dealer today to try and test drive the evo and see how it stacked against the Z. aside from the salespersons BS the car seemed nice for the sticker price they were asking 30k. so i ask the salesman how much will it be out the door and he goes well it should be around 43k taxes and all. at this point i begin to laugh and tell him i can get a nice porche for that price. and he goes thats something you could do. a nice used 911 can be attained for that price with a warranty or even a C5. i said thank you and left the dealership. 43k for what a mitsubishi. i dont think they have ever made a car that could hold a price tag like that and i for sure as hell dont think the evo can.


Hammad

 

they told me 38+ tax and license
i told them they dont make the vr4 spider anymore im asking about the evo
i got a g35coupe for 37 otd

 

Yes, a bigger turbo, injectors and a fuel pump. You can get upward of 400 hp without messing with the internals.

 

Especially after you sit in the car, it doesn't feel or look like a $40+ thousand dollar car, more like a $20k car. The only nice feature on the inside is the Recaros (which to me are much nicer than our Z seats ). The interior is very similar to my 99 GS-t (which was in the low $20's). They're really gonna rape some customer's out there or already have.

 

That's pretty sweet! It's exactly that fact that constantly sheds doubt into the mind of a tuner when it comes time to buy the next "toy".

 

Let me get this straight, they were asking for markup of $13K? This is like the trailer trash that aint that great but early in the evening she would be real picky, waiting for a justin timberlake look alike. Then when it's late in the night, bar is thinning out, and people stop hitting on her and she starts getting desperate and would be eyeing the fat geek drinking club soda.

Back to topic doesn't the Z have advantage over Evo in that it is not turbo and still holds it's own? I mean there's greater potential with the Z, you can add turbo and Nitrous, it's compression ratio isn't as high as Evo. Evo probably couldn't use Nitrous unless you upgrade the internals.

 

No the Z does not have any advantage just because it's as fast (not as quick) as the EVO stk.

There's potential in the Z (I don't know how much because I'm new to the VQ engine), but the 4G63 in the EVO has been around for over a decade. That being said, there's over 10 years of experience with these engines and it is why the engine is still being used on race cars (running 8's). There are many street DSMs running 12's and 11's in street trim as well.

Another thing you don't know is that most turbocharged engines have lower compression because they run a factory turbo. That's why they can run higher boost levels (with proper fuel support).

The EVO's compression is 8.8:1, the Z is 10.3:1. Yes you can add turbos to the Z, but reliability will be sacrificed. So you got it backwards, the EVO is the one that can run a turbo AND NOS, and no it doesn't have to have a built motor.

I'm trying not to sound like a dick, but please do some research before you post anything on turbocharged cars.

BTW, the EVO8 has already run 12's. Go here