DISLAIMER: Evo is an awesome car!! I love it! However, I refuse to be embarassed by a souped economy box on steriods... with that said let's get started.

On my way home I picked up a copy of Sport Compact Car. "Street Racing Tokyo" While I don't condon highspeed street racing I do have to admit it's fun

Flipping through the pages I came across a rather interesting story about the new Evo. They spewed force some very impressive numbers and some impressive drag kills (these are at a track).

After reading I felt a bit uneasy. While I'm glad that the Evo is coming out (the younger crowd with money will likely purchase this car over a 350Z - I want to keep my Z badge less riced as possible). I am, however, worried that my Z is out matched when it comes to the Evo.

Given some of the numbers

0-60 5.0 +/- .5
110 ft 60-0
.95 skidpad
271HP (less then my Z)
273 lbs Trq (less then my Z)
Redline 7000 (higher then my Z)
3263 lbs (close close close)

Is it the turbo giving these astonishing numbers?
Is it the Inline 4 giving these astonishing numbers?

What will it take? Turbos? Supercharger? Sway bars? Suspension kits? What is going to take to kill the Evo...

Do you want an Evo Killer?

BTW - they spanked the Z a few times in the 1/4
13.94 (we've seen some better times)
1.919 60 foot!

 

I believe it's the AWD! Can't beat the 60Ft times with that kind of set up.

 

The Evo makes up so much time off the line. I think that once on the roll the Z should be a bit faster, but not much.

 

It is the all wheel drive, and that is a fact. All wheel drive cars launch like crazy. All the time someone will come to the drags with a all wheel drive car mitsubishi eclipes, audi S4, subaru WRX mostly. The guy in the other lane always gets spanked off the line, and has to play catch up all the way down the track. In the other hand I have a 350Z track DB with just Injen CAI and when I race my friend off the line he kills me untill the end of second gear then by that time I catch him and just keep pulling on him untill Im about 3 car lengths ahead. Im about 99% sure you race a new Mitsubishi Evo from a rolling start with your Z and you will win if you know how to drive your car.

 

Keep in mind that AWD cars have much higher drivetrain hp loss. They may launch like crazy, but there's a price to pay for it.

 

do you ever watch the speedvision challenge the AWD S4s KILL hte porsches, SC'd NSX, Vettes, etc.... off the line, the AWD is THE reason.

 

keep the faith.....it's not crossing the first line that matters, it's crossing the second one

 

the Z they spanked was mine. and mind you on that run i missed the shift to third gear. my best at LACR was 14.2 compared to the evos 13.8. he was cutting 1.8 sec 60 foot times and i had a best of 2.200 sec 60 ft. he even goes to state it was all in the launch. anyways whats funny is that this guy dynoed this evo and it put down 240 awhp. pretty impressive. when we ran the second time he launched on me and stayed there. anyways so like i was saying i was very dishearted at loosing to one of theses untill i came across this. http://forums.evolutionm.net/showth...15&pagenumber=1
its a link where a respected wrx tuner dynoed the new evo's (4 to be exact) and they all put down around 180awhp. so im thinking the one this guy had was tool'ed since he told me it was preproduction. anyways dont be affraid people the ones on the streets wont give you much trouble its all hype.


Hammad

 

sakred.....VDC on or off?

 

Yeah I read the article too and the guy was being a tool when he was comparing the Z and the EVO's runs.

Obviously the EVO will run better 1/4 mile times than the Z.

What were the mphs on those runs for both of you Hammad?

I'm not hating the EVO, it's the idiot that wrote the article.

I'm looking fwd to a run in with the EVO on the street. There's a guy I know that has ordered one, and I know he never turns down a challenge.

 

Im all with you guys. I believe that the Z is a better all around car and if we do a little bit of work on them then the Z will spank the evo. If your worried about the AWD advantage just go out and get a set of slicks. Traction wont be an issue then. My last car was a 3000gt vr-4 and i know that off the line AWD owns but once your at a roll they arent so fast. Dont be disheartened the evo is pretty tweaked from the factory its already pulling like 19 psi so how much more power do you think they can get out of it? While with just a couple of turbos i am certain the Z can pull 500 hp.

 

Here is an interesting story.

I was at the track and having a LOT of problems getting off the line and getting good 60foots. An S4 owner comes by and tells me he is too. He says "yeah man its hard to launch this AWD car"

I saw WHAT EVER! The son of a gun was dumping it at 5grand and getting hardly ANY wheel spin then shot off like a bat out of hell. Shooot, wanna trade!? this thing just spins and spins.

 

Man we have one hell of a good community!

I suspect you are right about the hype. 180awhp!? That's rediculous!! Well, no matter, I think when it comes down to it in real world application it's going to be a close fight as we add on more and more bolt ons. What I cannot wait for however is the GT-R... 405 AWD

 

I had a eclipse GSX before and it does launch crazy off the line, I used to drop the clutch at high 5000's to low 6000's. No tire spin at all, the only thing was people would catch up to me by the mid to end of my second gear. I think the evo will be a driver's race, maybe just on our side of it, if we get a good launch we should be able to beat them.

 

every time i ran against the evo he would jump about a car and a half off the line and gain an extra half of length through second. im guessing cause of its 5 speed, correct me if im wrong. other then that there was no gains or loss. my traps ranged in the 96 mph department. part of the reasons they were low is cause of the tracks altitude and weather seeing as its in the middle of nowhere (desert) oh and the corvett guy hes talking about i smoked him twice. i raced 2 corvetts one 6 speed and one auto beat them both 2 times just to make sure it wasnt a fluke. they were running mid to high 14s. but it seemed that the evo had more power then me im pretty sure the ones for purchase arent as hooped up as this one was.


Hammad

 

As long as everyone is talking about stk vs. stk, yes it's a driver's race.

Otherwise please don't underestimate the Mitsu 2.0 turbo cars (EVO, Eclipse/Talon). THe EVO8 is going to respond to mods the same way the DSMs did, which means the EVO8 is going to be putting down 300+ crank hp much sooner than our Zs. It's just a fact. All they need is a full 3" turbo-back exhaust, more boost and race gas and they will be making the WRXs, and our Zs look really slow.

All you ex-DSMers know what I'm talking about.

I'm not giving up though. I love my Z and I'm looking fwd to modifying it with some worthy parts.

 

all in all, they're both great cars and all, but I think the Evo. has us beat in most categories here. AWD's are great off the launch, but some of them dont get the same stretch in speed once u get off the launch...however the Evo is a turbocharged car. So its got the two advantages, AWD for power and traction off the line, but also in the mid ranges and second gear on up, its gonna get the boost.

Nissan Z probably more of a driver's car than a racer's car. Fun to drive and more of a sports car for sure, but I can't find too many advantages. Sure it's got more horepower, but its the times that can't, not the horsepower numbers. It's a normally aspirated car, so its advantage SHOULD be immediate off the line action, and have a bit of a disadvantage when you hit the quarter against a turbo car...my two cents...Still I think my Z is way cooler than an Evo will ever be, in heritage, drivability, and the ability topick up chicks!

 

right, but whats its stock boost? how much room does it have?

no question whos faster stock, and whos easier to mod. but some people prefer to look at potential, in which case give the Z boost equal to what the evo has and lets talk. itll cost alot more obviously, but itll be 10x the car, **** arent they pushing around 20PSI? thats around 1.5bar. I bet the Z could take them at .5 bar, wait, supposedly .5 bar gets us 12.9sec so we COULD take them at .5 bar

 

I wouldn't underestimate the 4G63 engine. You can more than doulble the HP on the stock bottom end and internals with just bolt-ons. That car has mad potential. But I'll stick with my Z anyday The VQ should be stout once we crack that pesky ECU

 

The Lancer Evolution 8's are going to be dynoing around 205 Horsepower to the wheels. Just make sure you get them from a roll. There advantage is in the first 50 MPH. If you get a stock Evo from a roll, you should be handing him hiss ***.

Webcarconnections 262 RWHP 350Z vs a 205 WHP Lancer Evo on the highway = One Spanked Evo

I hand S4's theyre *** all the time on the highway. But i wouldnt dare do stop light racing against AWD.

P.S. Stock S4's dyno in the 170's to the wheels and weigh 3600+ lbs...Go tease some S4's on the highway!