View Poll Results: Which Aftermarket upgrades would you consider?
Turbo



395
46.86%
Supercharger



362
42.94%
ECU/Chip Upgrade



626
74.26%
CAT Back Exhaust / Header



519
61.57%
Lightweight Pulleys



293
34.76%
Cold Air Intake (CAI)



508
60.26%
Brakes



267
31.67%
Shocks & Springs



348
41.28%
Swaybars



307
36.42%
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Having modded the hell out of my current ride (click www), the appeal of the Z track pkg is the lack of mods needed to actually track the car. If NISMO offers parts that will keep the car's full warranty than booyah! I'd add forced induction in a heartbeat, but if it's a void scenario I would not touch it having dealt with Audi on these issues for the past few years. The only thing that might be suspect to change for me would be the suspension, as I doubt that it will be firm enough to satisfy my retarded need to drift nor my insatiable appetite for track time.
I'm with you on the Audi warranty issues... and warranty issues in general. I've modded the heck out of my A4, and although I (thankfully) haven't had much of a problem yet, I've read what others have had to go through. I've always got that worry in my mind that if something on my car was to break, I could have some serious trouble convincing Audi it wasn't my mods that did it. That's assuming my mods *didn't* cause the problem. I'm perfectly willing to accept a problem if it was indeed my mods that caused it. 
On any new car I get in the future, if I can get serious mods that retain the warranty then I'm probably going to do that. (At least until the warranty ends.)

On any new car I get in the future, if I can get serious mods that retain the warranty then I'm probably going to do that. (At least until the warranty ends.)
I guess I should say that I'm much less hesitant to buy aftermarket mods for non-engine related items. I'm not particularly worried about mods like suspension, wheels, swaybars, etc. It's the engine stuff that concerns me, since that's usually where mod-related problems occur.
Originally posted by Flyingscot
Lots o people chip their cars. Not everyone goes for a turbo or supercharger. Plus, even if they do, companies like JWT only charge $100 to reprogram their performance chip to work with a turbo etc. (to your exact specs). $100 is not alot if you're spending $6,000 on a turbo kit.
Lots o people chip their cars. Not everyone goes for a turbo or supercharger. Plus, even if they do, companies like JWT only charge $100 to reprogram their performance chip to work with a turbo etc. (to your exact specs). $100 is not alot if you're spending $6,000 on a turbo kit.
i know the case with my maxima (nissan, thats why i think its relevant, still a VQ) JWT charges about $600 for a chip, you can get custom programs if you need it for Nitrous or other needs, but without any REAL power mods, it is almost useles. As far as the other "chip" companies, most people report the gain as worse milage, and no real HP. of course people will defend their purchase, but unless its a stock Turbo where PSI can be turned up like an audi or vw, they are vastly useless.
Hall
Originally posted by JeepRage
...but unless its a stock Turbo where PSI can be turned up like an audi or vw, they are vastly useless.
Hall
...but unless its a stock Turbo where PSI can be turned up like an audi or vw, they are vastly useless.
Hall
Sounds reasonable, but its still a rumor.
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My bet is the performance chip NISMO brings in next year will be magic for your Z (by the way the ECU has 4 chips!). The VQ engine family has LOTS of power to be found in it, and with CVTCS for valve timing on our Z's, the computer 'fix' will provide dramatic improvements in Torque & HP in even stock trim. There is no need to install new cams, as you can adjust the duration through the CVTCS. Add a fresh air K&N & Exh system and you'll be significantly over the 300HP mark. The stock set-up is to provide moderate performance in all temp parameters across the USA. A little fine massaging is all she needs to let her know it's OK for all that power.
Mmmm POWER!
Mmmm POWER!
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I don't know if this was mentioned before. The ecu upgrade is way underated! You guys are looking at peak hp figures. Chip will increase the whole powercurve. I don't know if the 350z has what is called tip in retard. It is when you hit the throttle and the timing is backed off. JWT removes this in all the chips that they tune. Makes a huge difference in the over all feal and the ability to roast the tires off the car
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Check the classifieds forum about the suspension
I added something to it you might like!
Jeremy
I added something to it you might like!Jeremy
Originally posted by Flyingscot
It's true that torque is the real killer when it comes to transmissions. However, it's basically just semantics to try and destinguish between torque and HP when talking FI. By its very nature, FI produces a lot of extra torque to go with that extra HP.
It's true that torque is the real killer when it comes to transmissions. However, it's basically just semantics to try and destinguish between torque and HP when talking FI. By its very nature, FI produces a lot of extra torque to go with that extra HP.
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Hey this ECU is totally different.
Do you know where we get the data from this ECU ?? Guess what under the steering wheel....
Also this ECU I don`t have to add any extra tips. It is very different.
You never seen this kind of ECU so far.
OK I will tell you the name of this ECU. This is HITACHI SH2.
Microcomputer is 7055.
They controll throttle body with electronic. Speed limiter is controleled by CAN.
Hooo, we have to chage the injector 248cc from NISMO to put the turbon on this car.
Our target HP is 700HP and 60kg torque.
Do you know where we get the data from this ECU ?? Guess what under the steering wheel....
Also this ECU I don`t have to add any extra tips. It is very different.
You never seen this kind of ECU so far.
OK I will tell you the name of this ECU. This is HITACHI SH2.
Microcomputer is 7055.
They controll throttle body with electronic. Speed limiter is controleled by CAN.
Hooo, we have to chage the injector 248cc from NISMO to put the turbon on this car.
Our target HP is 700HP and 60kg torque.
I never did mods before, but I never had Z before... So now I'm thinking on putting turbo, when it'll be available and reliable.
What worries me is what changes into fuel consumption it's going to introduce? I'm doing at least 40 miles every day, and if turbos going to double my gas expences, then I can't afford it in long run.
I'm having 20mph average on rural roads right now.
Any comments apriciated.
What worries me is what changes into fuel consumption it's going to introduce? I'm doing at least 40 miles every day, and if turbos going to double my gas expences, then I can't afford it in long run.
I'm having 20mph average on rural roads right now.
Any comments apriciated.
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Turbos will effect gas consumption only when in boost. Low rpm and laying off the throttle will maintain your 20mpg. I personally wouldn't go turbo though. Naturally aspirated power can be tons of fun and actually increase your mpg! Much easier to rev match as well.
Another thing about turbos ... someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that at sea level, you get a 100% horsepower increase at 14.7psi (atmospheric pressure is 14.7psi at sea level).
So we'll say 4psi as a safe stock configuration (just a bolt-on turbo kit). You should gain approximately 78.6hp at the crank (for a total of around 367hp at the crank).
Increase the boost to 7psi, which may be possible on this engine stock, or may require minor engine upgrades (maybe some fuel injectors and the like), and you're looking at a 137.6hp increase to a total of around 426hp (again, at the crank).
Obviously, lots of things will affect your overall increases. But that should be a general approximation.
I'm not sure of the exact loss of power through the tranny in a Z, but I'm guessing you'll be putting approximately 340hp - 350hp at the wheels.
Food for thought ...
So we'll say 4psi as a safe stock configuration (just a bolt-on turbo kit). You should gain approximately 78.6hp at the crank (for a total of around 367hp at the crank).
Increase the boost to 7psi, which may be possible on this engine stock, or may require minor engine upgrades (maybe some fuel injectors and the like), and you're looking at a 137.6hp increase to a total of around 426hp (again, at the crank).
Obviously, lots of things will affect your overall increases. But that should be a general approximation.
I'm not sure of the exact loss of power through the tranny in a Z, but I'm guessing you'll be putting approximately 340hp - 350hp at the wheels.
Food for thought ...
Here you go guys... parts are comin out quick for the Z.. although its not Nismo, it sounds pretty good.
HKS already has a preliminary turbo kit for the new 350Z in testing. Early results are promising, with 354hp and 354ft/lb's of torque at the crank. So far the car has a GT2835 turbine pushing the air through a front-mounted intercooler that fits snugly in the front bumper. An F-con S and EVC IV are employed to run this beast, along with misc. other electronics. Still in testing, HKS is aiming for over 400hp when finished. HKS is also releasing 6-2-1exhaust manifold for the standard 350Z.
Hi-TECH is releasing a ECU swap-in unit for the 350Z that raises the rev-limiter to 7000rpm, bumps overall output to 296hp.... i would stick to NA, running FI is like running a hand grenade, i would never do it no matter how well the setup was tuned.
HKS already has a preliminary turbo kit for the new 350Z in testing. Early results are promising, with 354hp and 354ft/lb's of torque at the crank. So far the car has a GT2835 turbine pushing the air through a front-mounted intercooler that fits snugly in the front bumper. An F-con S and EVC IV are employed to run this beast, along with misc. other electronics. Still in testing, HKS is aiming for over 400hp when finished. HKS is also releasing 6-2-1exhaust manifold for the standard 350Z.
Hi-TECH is releasing a ECU swap-in unit for the 350Z that raises the rev-limiter to 7000rpm, bumps overall output to 296hp.... i would stick to NA, running FI is like running a hand grenade, i would never do it no matter how well the setup was tuned.
Last edited by SkyMan; Nov 13, 2002 at 07:49 PM.
Would any of these mods be restricted to the manual version only, or would they work on automatics as well? FI, especially. Would the gains be less? Would there be trouble with the transmission down the line, on an automatic?
~Berj
~Berj
Originally posted by Andorion
Would any of these mods be restricted to the manual version only, or would they work on automatics as well? FI, especially. Would the gains be less? Would there be trouble with the transmission down the line, on an automatic?
~Berj
Would any of these mods be restricted to the manual version only, or would they work on automatics as well? FI, especially. Would the gains be less? Would there be trouble with the transmission down the line, on an automatic?
~Berj
You just have to be sure the auto tranny can handle whatever torque the engine will make. (Tranny limitations are torque, not horsepower.) I personally don't know what the torque rating of the Z's auto tranny is, but I'm sure someone around here can comment on that.
Along that line, if you want to make big power, you can probably have the auto tranny rebuilt to have a higher stall speed and maybe strengthened. There's a place called Level 10 that the Audi/VW guys use to have their auto trannies modified. Don't know about Nissan, though.
Greddy's kit is currently in R&D pushing out 347 hp to the wheels with a twin turbo setup. This eqautes to over 415 at the crank a gain of about 130 hp at the crank. This should have the car running in the low 12's and high 11's easily. Thats enough power in my book.
u sure da price for SC and Turbo is right??
I don't think they have a same price....from wat i know.....Turbo is more expensive..u need a boost controller..and u need to upgrade ur inter cooler too!!
I don't think they have a same price....from wat i know.....Turbo is more expensive..u need a boost controller..and u need to upgrade ur inter cooler too!!
Originally posted by #15Blade
But seriousely, I have a friend putting out 425 rwhp in a 93 RX-7. That car is scary fast. I don't know if I will ever need more than the stock engine puts out, but that's what he thought when he bought the rx-7. Then again, he's crazy... In anycase, if I ever do upgrade, I don't think I will be willing to put out $6K for less than a 100-125hp increase, because I suspect I would be targeting the Z06. Should be able to do that safely with a supercharger running 6-8 psi.
But seriousely, I have a friend putting out 425 rwhp in a 93 RX-7. That car is scary fast. I don't know if I will ever need more than the stock engine puts out, but that's what he thought when he bought the rx-7. Then again, he's crazy... In anycase, if I ever do upgrade, I don't think I will be willing to put out $6K for less than a 100-125hp increase, because I suspect I would be targeting the Z06. Should be able to do that safely with a supercharger running 6-8 psi.
WTH does this have to do with Z's? Turbo on the Z from NISMO isn't going to make it a 30-40k mile engine like a '93 Mazda Rotary - add in the cost for 2-3 complete rebuilds in your math!
Originally posted by JeepRage
i know the case with my maxima (nissan, thats why i think its relevant, still a VQ) JWT charges about $600 for a chip, you can get custom programs if you need it for Nitrous or other needs, but without any REAL power mods, it is almost useles. As far as the other "chip" companies, most people report the gain as worse milage, and no real HP. of course people will defend their purchase, but unless its a stock Turbo where PSI can be turned up like an audi or vw, they are vastly useless.
Hall
i know the case with my maxima (nissan, thats why i think its relevant, still a VQ) JWT charges about $600 for a chip, you can get custom programs if you need it for Nitrous or other needs, but without any REAL power mods, it is almost useles. As far as the other "chip" companies, most people report the gain as worse milage, and no real HP. of course people will defend their purchase, but unless its a stock Turbo where PSI can be turned up like an audi or vw, they are vastly useless.
Hall
I never had to do more than reset the ECU with every mod, MAYBE Nissan does this on purpose, given the range of vehicles they use engines in like the Q? I respect JWT very much, but never saw the logic in swapping out the stock ECU - w/o a Turbo or similar, the stock ECU has the latitude to handle different setup than stock.
Steve:D

