binder

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True, stock for stock the 2jz can hold more power. Now ask the time and money involved for all the people that have done that swap. It's considerable. If you don't own a shop it would be ridiculous on cost to have a shop do it for you due to hours invested. Swaps with g35/350z are not cost effective at all due to all the custom work that needs to be done.

graffkid732

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2jzgte with 6spd is 6,000. Now harness and all the other sht to get it to mount and work. Then fuel, exhaust, fmic, turbo, and some sort of ecu to tune. You're looking at $10k EASILY done right. Unless you find all used parts and do all the labor yourself. But I think I'm under estimating that cost. Believe me, I'm in the process of a 2jz swap. I know what's involved. Have done plenty of research on the 2j's and setups for a simple 5-600whp.

jerryd87

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dynosty failure? dont think sound performance or vtr has had failures either(could be wrong on those though). its a matter of taking it to someone capable, take either a rb or 2jz to a person who has no clue what they are doing and its going bust too. been covered a million times, pretty much if your swapping to a rb "coz these engines were made for turbo" your retarded theres nothing magical about it the vq is more capable then the rb with some rods and a decent builder

Highway Riding

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+1 JZ swaps are for those with some extra $ to burn and time.

binder

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exactly, having the tools and means to do all the custom mounts plus the wiring harness and such is the expensive part. Paying a shop to do it would easily double or triple the cost in labor hours.

Resmarted

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Buy a built block. Maybe even a long block.
Put it back together.
Get ready for a long road ahead lmao. Building any car is a PITA.

Don't worry about swapping an engine, lmao as everyone has said it is not as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

I would only consider swapping if you want something that is stouter at 1000+hp. Otherwise it really doesn't make sense imho.

bmyles

So far, that guy's VR6 swap isn't too expensive . He was able to bolt the Z trans and starter up to it. If he made a kit, I think that would be one of the more cost effective swaps, it's just very unorthodox for this platform, of course.

graffkid732

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He has many connections to machine shops and engineers though. Where you may pay $500 for a part to be made, he's paying $100.

Luckily I know a machinist and a mechanical / aerospace engineer, so getting some things made, modified, or drawn up isn't too difficult.

Resmarted

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I take it you havent been to his site...

$22 for a motor mount plate $26 for the side one, $153 for the oil adapter thingy he has, and $355 for the cd009 transmission adapter plate.

Pretty damn affordable. I doubt he's making much off this stuff.

If the vr6 could be built really cheaply though that would be a bonus... All the built motors I see are near the price of vq built motors... 4k for a shortblock isn't that cheap considering you're going down in size and your limit is like 750 at the crank, and you definitely would need headwork.... Not sure how much they can hold on stock block though.

bmyles

You sure you're talking about the 2.8L vr6? He said they're damn cheap to build. As for head work, a set of new cams ran him only $300. Head porting is pretty standard by a machine shop for any head, I would think. Pretty sure overall, it's cheaper to build the vr6.

binder

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I would never trust a regular machine shop to do any head work unless they have a history or training on that specific platform. Most standard machine shops don't have flow benches to make sure they are actually doing a good port. They just grind out as much material as they can and smooth things and call it good when in reality that's not what works best for high rev japanese motors. It's all about velocity and direction.

Either direction, swaps on this platform are murder on the wallet unless you have the means to customize stuff yourself. Swaps might be awesome and yes there are better motors out there but staying with the same engine is the cheapest and easiest for this car since there aren't any pre-made swap parts (complete).

graffkid732

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I haven't nope. Honestly, I think he mentioned he knew a machinist and possibly an engineer, so I just assumed.

That is cheap though ha. Almost to the point where if any of us wanted someone to make them somewhere else, would cost a hell of a lot more.

binder

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ya, sounds really cheap for custom machined parts. I would think quality billet would cost that much without the machining.

QTB

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You can put in a lot of built short/long blocks for the cost of a LS/RB/2JZ swap.

bmyles

Well his motor mounts aren't anything super special. They definitely aren't billet. Two plates welded to a piece of pipe stock.

Resmarted

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The mounts are super redic simple. You could make your own just by looking at the pics.


Here's why you would swap a 2j (pretty much what graff is doing)

jerryd87

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and here is why i would swap a lsx worst part is as awesome as nelsons engines are there are several builders who put him to shame, some of them pushing more then 2200 hp however nelsons are alot more streetable. i know alot of the engines he has built and dynoed have also been limited to the size of the room his dyno is in and they have had to remove the window and use fans to feed the room because the engine was starting to pull a vacuum on the room lol. even a vq would be more streetable but would highly recommend a dry sump

04.350z

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This post has to be the most ignorant thing I have seen in a while when a poster is serious.

Any swap what so ever is going to be more expensive that building a block or buying a built one.

With a swap you need a motor trans wiring harness driveshaft swap kit proper parts made to make things fit or to make them play nice with thw opposite ecm knowledge a reputable shop and money lots of money.

Building a vq or buying a built one take 5.5 k a garage install and a tune.

Quamen

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I don't typically disagree with you but I think that this is only about half true. It really depends on how the car is used.

If we are talking raw numbers and only street use, then for the most part you are correct. However, IMO there are better engines out there if you are making a purpose built car like mine was.

There in is the issue though, this forum is more dreamers and street racers now than anything so I am now the minority... .

04.350z

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Happens when your once new car gets old and now you can get them for like 8 k :/