Well of course your '08 is going to be faster than your '04, dubmass. That has nothing to do with manual vs auto. I don't know if I would have posted those times side by side like that. your making a worse case for MT is you had a more power engine, and you barely beat your AT time...

So then all the new supercar owners, including GT-Rs, are for panzy asses?

OP, I was hardcore manual guy until I found my auto Z. Did the transgo valve body upgrade, and don't know if I'll buy another sportscar with a MT. Yes, you'll put down less power to the ground VS a MT, but you'll never miss a shift.

 

Can't compare the GTR tranny to the 350Z tranny.

It is like comparing fuel injected to carbs.

These new supercars with twin clutch automatic gearboxes are the future, but anything less of that type of technology is garbage compared to 3 pedals.

 

Have you driven a Z with valve body upgrade? Correct, the GT-R tranny is not the same as the Z, but it is the same concept. Perfect shifts, faster shifts, and the new rev-match trans is basically a 3 pedal AT. And the comparison is more like DE to HR: basically the same, more refined, more advanced, bugs fixed.

 

Ok ok ok. I'm confused now ... Auto gear is considered feminine because of the missing third pedal and yet it is accepted when it comes to Lambo/Ferrari/ GTR? Regardless what kind of technology these cars have, they still do not have the third pedal and a stick shift. Does being a real man have an exception? What is it, technology? horsepower? brand? lol

 

twin clutch auto is bisexual. :P

I think you can only compare if there's an option... those cars simply don't come with manuals.

 

valve body upgrade is like putting lipstick on a dike.

 

Some of you giys are missing the most basic difference between an AT and MT (regardless of how the clutch operates). It's really very simple.

An AT can only be reactive to whatever conditions have already happened. In other words, it's reactive - to throttle position, vehicle speed, and whether the car is undergoing positive or negative acceleration. As such, it's always behind what the driver's needs may be.

An MT, is absolutely the opposite. It won't do anything without input from the driver, and the driver is able to anticipate his or her needs, based on how conditions are about to change - downshifting into a corner, for example. In other words, the MT and driver together are proactive, and can always be ahead of, or right with, the changing conditions of driving.

 

It is very simple, and you just made it way more complicated. Look, I can downshift too (see attached), so I still have control. And with what you're saying is all the new super cars have no control since they're all transitioning to the "auto" style transmissions? Please do this >

And I have a harness that reversed the shifts to make it how new "racecars" shift. (http://www.gtmotorsports.com/product...cat=262&page=3) When I first ask GTM about this harness, they didn't even have a price on it. It wasn't until I asked did they put a price on the website, and it was a legit order straight from Mine's in Japan.

 

Way to many common idiots seem to not know the difference between a auto and DSG transmission.

 

Please, really? What's the lag time between shifts with that barbie-stick? You really think there's any appreciable lag time with modern clutchless MT shifters? Try rev-matching during a downshift, too. Think there's no pwoer loss in the torque convertor? Keep dreaming. There is simply nothing positive about having an AT unless you spend a lot of time in stop and go traffic. Track times will prove it each and every time, almost without regard to driver skill. You made your choice, but don't waste my time justifying it with BS data.

 

no ****.

 

Lol that is a very bold statement.

It is obvious that you have never driven anything other than a stick, let alone the question of have you driven any modern sportscar.

Times are changing and such inflexibiltiy only shows foolishness/ignorance or the engineers at ferrari lambhorghini mercedes bmw.... are foolish and you are the wise 1

Or else you can reveal your actual age and we can forget everything you said (my guess is you are under 25 or over 65)

What you think is only your opinion, which seems very skewed lol

 

This clearly shows that you people have not driven AT Z.

 

well I was actually just at Z1 this past weekend talking to Chuck about a guy that has the transgo installed on his 370 twin turbo. They were actually afraid of doing it because in a AT of course you don't let off the gas. So what that means is the turbos are at constant boost. Can you change gears while not lifting off the gas...? But here are two videos of a 350 and G, both of which chirp tires 1-2 and then 2-3. The little power loss from the TC more than makes up for the time you waste shifting gears, even if you short throw shifter.

 

sorry dude you have absolutely no clue what your talking about what he is referring to is that in order for the automatic transmission to work it needs pressure, pressure which comes from the engine being in power. when you down shift in a manual it is immediate, in your auto you have to wait for the transmission to be at the correct pressure and the computer to say "ok you can do that". absolutely no "racecar" uses a auto except drag racing and that is so the can run consistent since most people are bracket racers and it dosnt actually matter how fast your car is but how consistent. if your referring to cars like the GTR then doubly wrong they have NOTHING in common with a automatic. the GTR, EVO, and other such cars have a DUAL CLUTCH MANUAL, best way to describe it is two manual transmissions in one case and shifting is done by the computer. 1, 3 ,5 are on one clutch 2,4,6 are on another. you start in first and hit the paddle shifter for second solenoids disengage one clutch and engage the other, hit it for third and it switchs to third gear THEN switchs clutchs again. it is a direct link of gears and clutchs, vs a automatic transmission which engages the engine to
driveshaft through fluid pressure.

all that harness is doing is switching two wires, can do the EXACT same thing for free by just depinning the stock harness and switch the wires around, free and takes 30-120 seconds.

please avoid speaking on subjects in which you lack the understanding of the basic operating principles

 

again you shouldnt speak either since most of those manufacturers you listed arnt using autos, especially lambo they use dual clutch manuals.

 

again your a idiot, 1) 550 to the wheels on a auto(the absolute max a fully built auto can even handle reliably) is putting down 650+ on 6mt setups thats hardly "a little". chirping the tires? please come talk when your spinning 1st through 4th WHILE shifting. actually yes we can shift without lifting the gas its called no lift shift. the 5AT is the worst possible choice you can make if you intent to actually race a Z, the car is heavier, makes less power to the wheels aka usable power, and is more prone to failure.

 

Your car must be magic. Or, you're just a douche. Hard to say at this point.

 

Does a GT-R have a clutch pedal....? Do you manually change gears in a GT-R, or do you paddle shift it....? If you sat a chick in a GT-R would she say it's an auto or manual....?



GTM built 350z AT (http://gtmotorsports.com/product.php...cat=262&page=1)
Built 370Z AT, and if the stage is rated over 600rwhp, I'm sure this rated over 650rwhp (http://gtmotorsports.com/product.php...cat=262&page=1)

Why would I want to keep spinning through 1st-4th?

No Lift Shifting: redlining the **** of your engine each shift, NICE! This makes sense since our engines peak around 6200-6300.

2003 MT curb weight 3247; AT curb weight 3239...AT is heavier? (http://autos.yahoo.com/nissan/350z/2...fications.html)

 

Welcome to the club Dbag.