Notices
Engine & Drivetrain VQ Power and Delivery

Opinions of Pros and Cons of Lightweight Flywheel?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 25, 2013 | 06:38 PM
  #1  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default Opinions of Pros and Cons of Lightweight Flywheel?

I am interested in some of your experiences and/or recommendations of good lightweight flywheels that you may have for me to consider. I realize that my '07 stock flywheel is approx. 27.6 lbs. I've looked at 2 Competition Clutch's at 18.6 lbs and an ultra light one at 13.89. Z1 has a 13.7 lb., Exedy at 19.6, ACT has a 16.9 "Street Light" and 13.2 "pro light"., Fidanza at 15 lbs.

I've talked to guys and also read on this and other sites that going very lightweight can be a little "touchy" in lower gears and takes some getting used to, etc. The advantages could be substantial as some of these ultra light flywheels are 1/2 the weight of stock! I'm not in a rush, but when I'm ready I'll be doing a good quality clutch/flywheel combo. I've read quite a bit about these upgrades, but just wanted to see what some of you guys have to say about them. Thanks!

Last edited by BigBlue; Sep 2, 2013 at 05:23 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2013 | 08:59 PM
  #2  
NoGiFighter's Avatar
NoGiFighter
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
From: New Jersey
Default

when my clutch started slipping I replaced it with a jwt clutch and flywheel. the flywheel is only 13lbs as apposed to the 23 lb stock one. its a little touchy through first and second because its a swap from a dual mass flywheel to a solid flywheel. plus you can plan on some chatter. if you can deal with chatter and it being touchy then lightweight is the way to go.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2013 | 10:15 PM
  #3  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default

^Thanks for the info. of the JWT combo, that's a very popular setup and a lot of good things said about it.

Last edited by BigBlue; Sep 1, 2013 at 07:51 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 01:43 AM
  #4  
alby13's Avatar
alby13
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 146
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

great post! i'm specifically interested in the nismo flywheel. zstore says it comes in at 23lbs, 8 lbs lighter than stock, 28% lighter. may have a slight chatter, but probably not make much additional noise.

if you are streeting the car it would probably be a good idea to go with either the Competition Clutch's at 18.6 lbs or Exedy at 19.6

Last edited by alby13; Aug 26, 2013 at 01:45 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 08:10 AM
  #5  
HK350 Z's Avatar
HK350 Z
New Member
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 510
Likes: 7
From: Pflugerville,Texas
Default

Good thread.

Atfer hitting 105K, I blew my CSC the first time,so I decided to upgrade the clutch/flywheel/slave/master.

I have the South Bend Racing Single Mass Flywheel which is pretty close if not more quiet than the factory DMF.It weighs 19lbs, which is perfect as I though the 14 and 17 lbs flywheels were a little to light for daily driving since I dont track my Z.They do have a 24lbs option , I just wanted a 'little' more performance out of the kit.

Quicker revs,close to factory noise level(if not below),only drawback is you will have change your shifting habits in the lower gears.Other than that ,which takes maybe a day to get used to, it has no drawbacks.

Last edited by HK350 Z; Aug 26, 2013 at 08:11 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 08:56 AM
  #6  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default

^^ thanks guys for the info. I don't track either, but get into spirited/high speed driving even though the car is my dd until I pick up a grocery getter haha! Yeah, I was wondering why some of these brands offer the ultra light version and a higher weight version which is still at least 8-10 lbs. lighter than stock. Don't know if the super light ones are "only" for track or if they are ok for dd?

Last edited by BigBlue; Aug 26, 2013 at 09:09 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 06:58 PM
  #7  
NoGiFighter's Avatar
NoGiFighter
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
From: New Jersey
Default

My 350 is my dd and I love the jwt clutch. Like others have said you have to change up your driving habits in the lower gears but other than that its perfect.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 07:24 PM
  #8  
Bmurray350z's Avatar
Bmurray350z
New Member
10 Year Member
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,075
Likes: 92
From: Burlington, NC
Default

Clutch/Flywheel/Slave will be my next big purchase for my 08. Not sure what I am going to go with yet.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 08:08 PM
  #9  
ian99rt's Avatar
ian99rt
Registered User
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 704
Likes: 12
From: Naples, FL
Default

Originally Posted by HK350 Z
Good thread.

Atfer hitting 105K, I blew my CSC the first time,so I decided to upgrade the clutch/flywheel/slave/master.

I have the South Bend Racing Single Mass Flywheel which is pretty close if not more quiet than the factory DMF.It weighs 19lbs, which is perfect as I though the 14 and 17 lbs flywheels were a little to light for daily driving since I dont track my Z.They do have a 24lbs option , I just wanted a 'little' more performance out of the kit.

Quicker revs,close to factory noise level(if not below),only drawback is you will have change your shifting habits in the lower gears.Other than that ,which takes maybe a day to get used to, it has no drawbacks.
X2 on the south bend 19 lbs flywheel. My setup is noticeably quieter than the oem setup. I've also got the SB stage 2 endurance clutch, hd csc and wilwood master cylinder.

I could not suggest this combo more for a very streetable DD setup.
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 08:16 PM
  #10  
Bmurray350z's Avatar
Bmurray350z
New Member
10 Year Member
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,075
Likes: 92
From: Burlington, NC
Default

May be a dumb question... but will a lighter flywheel have an impact on dyno numbers? I know they say lighter wheels can, so figured it's possible...?
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2013 | 09:18 PM
  #11  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default

Originally Posted by Bmurray350z
May be a dumb question... but will a lighter flywheel have an impact on dyno numbers? I know they say lighter wheels can, so figured it's possible...?
I was under that impression also; lighter-better #'s. There are some very nice items on CZP/350zPerformance/Powertrain! The South bend combos, South bend/Fidanza combos and plenty more.

Last edited by BigBlue; Sep 1, 2013 at 07:57 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 27, 2013 | 06:47 PM
  #12  
alby13's Avatar
alby13
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 146
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by Bmurray350z
May be a dumb question... but will a lighter flywheel have an impact on dyno numbers? I know they say lighter wheels can, so figured it's possible...?
it's not a dumb question, i asked a dyno tuner and his response was that it really is a faster response, faster reving thing, but sometimes you do see a slight gain because of less reciprocating mass.
Reply
Old Aug 27, 2013 | 08:29 PM
  #13  
doshoru's Avatar
doshoru
New Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Atlanta
Default

Pretty sure the theory says that there will be an increase in the HP read at the wheels, but....in 5th gear it'll be such a small percentage that it falls within the error you'd have from running back to back dynos with no changes anyways -- e.g. negligible.

If you were to dyno in 1st or 2nd, you could measure it, but.....nobody does that, lol.

edit -- found the article I remembered...definitely worth the read.
http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywhee...heel_works.htm

GEAR M3 and 3-series "virtual"
weight lost: M5/Z8/540i "virtual"
weight lost:
1st gear 346.5 lbs. 394.4 lbs.
2nd gear 133.15 lbs. 151.7 lbs.
3rd gear 68.9 lbs. 75.4 lbs.
4th gear 46.18 lbs. 48.5 lbs.
5th gear 36.15 lbs. 37.6 lbs.
6th gear 30.04 lbs. 31.0 lbs.

GEAR M3 and 3-series "virtual"
performance gain: M5/Z8/540i "virtual"
performance gain:
1st gear 34.6 hp 39.4 hp
2nd gear 13.3 hp 15.2 hp
3rd gear 6.9 hp 7.5 hp
4th gear 4.6 hp 4.9 hp
5th gear 3.6 hp 3.8 hp
6th gear 3 hp. 3.1 hp

Last edited by doshoru; Aug 27, 2013 at 08:31 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:32 PM
  #14  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default

^Good post, the article is very interesting. Sounds like the lightweight flywheels are great in lower gear accel., even similar to car weighing 10% less in 1st gear; less effective in each higher gear. I wonder how the lightweight FW's work with 3.9/4.08 fd gears since the article says that FW's are "gear dependent".

Last edited by BigBlue; Sep 2, 2013 at 05:28 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:36 PM
  #15  
Bmurray350z's Avatar
Bmurray350z
New Member
10 Year Member
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,075
Likes: 92
From: Burlington, NC
Default

I found a great deal on a ACT Streetlite flywheels thats brand new. may scoop it up. should any HR clutch kit work with this particular flywheel?

Kits i am looking at are:
SBC stage 2 dxd
Competition stage 2
JWT
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:39 PM
  #16  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default

^what weight/s are you looking at? ACT looks great.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:42 PM
  #17  
Bmurray350z's Avatar
Bmurray350z
New Member
10 Year Member
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,075
Likes: 92
From: Burlington, NC
Default

The flywheel i found a great deal on is the ACT streetlite flywheel which is 16.9 Lbs
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:58 PM
  #18  
BigBlue's Avatar
BigBlue
Thread Starter
New Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,821
Likes: 188
From: Southern Utah
Default

Yeah this looks very nice! Their Street Light is their most popular unit.

Last edited by BigBlue; Mar 7, 2018 at 03:52 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2013 | 01:30 AM
  #19  
harman850t5's Avatar
harman850t5
Registered User
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 290
Likes: 1
From: Central PA
Default

Originally Posted by BigBlue
I wonder how the lightweight FW's work with 3.9/4.08 fd gears since the article says that they are "gear dependent".
I have the JWT clutch/flywheel combo along with 4.08 gears. First gear goes by almost as fast as a free rev. I feel they both work well together.

I'd advise you to stay clear of z1 auto and go to z1 motorsports also.

Last edited by harman850t5; Aug 30, 2013 at 01:34 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2013 | 04:18 AM
  #20  
SmoothZ's Avatar
SmoothZ
Senior Super Moderator
MY350Z.COM
Premier Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 28,899
Likes: 1,906
From: Twin Cities, MN
Default

I have the Z1 Mild Performance combo. The FW is amazingly light weight. I can definitely feel the difference when depressing the clutch pedal (softer). And yes, it does take some getting used to in lower gears. The RPM's do climb faster, and you'll notice changing gears quicker.

I decided on the Z1 combo because I wanted something close to stock but with some performance added. They had the best deal, the best credibility, and they're a vendor on this site which I like to support.

Oh, and I have a 2003 Touring with less than 60k miles.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:08 AM.