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View Poll Results: Having read the Dyno thread from So. Cal will you still keep your Crawford?
Yes, I like it. It is serving my needs well performance wise.
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No, I thought I was making gains until I read this, now I will go back to stock.
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I think further reviews should be done on a stock only car with the plenum like other mods are done
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I don't own a Crawford but never miss a good poll so I vote in this section!
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Having read the Independant Dyno will you still keep your Crawford?

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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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I mentioned Perfomance for the Borla Header comment, I apoligize and retract that, I will man up to that and apoligize.

Sorry that was me. It has no place here, headers never should have been brought up, had it been a stock car maybe it never would have came up who knows?
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 03:04 PM
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I'm Keeping mine until Summer, and by then if the Kinetix Plenum is making atleast the same i'll sell mine to a friend and get the kinetix cause i like the looks and the fact i can keep my engine cover, and strut bar... But if it makes considerably less power then i will just keep the crawford.

Both are great i noticed a difference and everyone else did on mine aswell.. Not much through the powerband but definetly past 5500 RPMS it really starts pulling quite abit harder. And with my mods i'm to the point where i have to start doing some fine tuning aswell....I'm worried about with the warth starting to get warm again i might get ping. but we'll see.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 03:49 PM
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22 are keeping so far.
3 ghosts are going back to stock.
And 4 are waiting for more dynos.
I voted I never miss a good pole.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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Wouldn't give it up for nothing. I really did not like how doggish this car was up top until I put this plenum on and it all went away. I must be wierd as well because I really like how this plenum looks and am really not sure if the newer version is really better looking. I guess I just like the raw look. I may still end up with the newer version but only if I decide to start showing my car.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 05:17 PM
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Keeping mine.

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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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Somone vote for Paulo please since he lives at car shows.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 07:19 PM
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Keeping mine....
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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I am definitely keeping mine!! I don't care how many people remain skeptical about the plenum or how many dynos are posted showing few gains. To me it comes down to one thing:

I definitely feel the difference, and it is on MY car so I guess it only has to make one person happy......ME!! KEEPER!
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 08:58 PM
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I'm trading for the version 5. Don't see any reason to change!
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:58 AM
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Dynoed it on mine, made 3-4 peak and 8 at redline and then took it off. It's a good mod for those who track (not drag), just not a good value IMO.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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It was never yours to keep only evaluate, we already know your "opinion" it's spread like the plague but your vote to go back to stock isn't applicable in the context of this poll.

It was for those who bought and own it, you did neither.

BTW was this a stock car you dynoed it on that made these numbers since you are in my thread can you answer that question? What were your mods to your vehicle pre dyno?

It's imperitive to know for this poll to remain accurate / scientific.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Geez man, who pissed in your cheerios. I must say you've got to be one of the most emotional forum posters i've ever seen.

1. No, it was not a stock car. I've got an intake, pulley, high flow cats, and exhaust.

2. Yes, I evaluated it. Felt a slight increase in power in the top end of 4th at about 6k. Came back and told everyone I liked it.

I apologize for throwing your poll off, go ahead and subtract a point from option 2 to keep it scientific.
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 07:14 PM
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thanks for being honest the 2nd time around, as you know I can minus poll points though..... Why did you vote when you don't own one?

It's not about emotions it's about the reputations of a business.

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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by 12SecZ
thanks for being honest the 2nd time around
2nd time around? I haven't changed anything I said before. I was clear that there was a gain, it's obvious from the dynos. My only argument is value. I think you may need to go back and read the original threads before accusing me of lieing.

Why did you vote when you don't own one?
Because I misread the title, hence my decision to request my point be recalled.
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 12:42 AM
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I never called you a liar, you too seem to be personalizing this too. The vote was for Crawford Owners, you don't own one, you misread it even after I clearly said I wanted to keep it accurate.

We have 4 people returning to stock and only the Vortech guy being a legimate entry, let the record reflect that is only ONE PLENUM going back to stock not the innaccuries the numbers above show.

Bottom line Doug and Co. have been nothing but profesional to you and you crapped on them back, you know it, I know it everyone following the threads knows it.

I don't have to reread anything, I know how this started months ago, I know how it was supposed to go and I saw how it went and how you and HFM have acted afterwords.

Stop manilpulating and man up dude. I hate when someone can't admit they were wrong so start projecting and distorting like for example I called you a liar, no I didn't I said you were not an owner and shouldn't have voted you skewed the accuracy of the poll and I can't change it just because you say remove my vote, yeah right I can't. I have been accused of being a member of the "Crawford Crew", if that is the worst thing I do all year it will be a good year.

Have a nice work week.

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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 12:47 AM
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By the way who maked your high flow cats and what plenum will you be going with, stock?

Thanks....
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 09:05 AM
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edit: stupid double-post...

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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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I'll let you all know what I think on Friday after I install it.
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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thanks for being honest the 2nd time around
This implies that I was lieing the first time around. Do you even read your own posts?

I made the mistake of voting on your thread and apologized on my first post here, quit crying about it.

12Sec, again, you're jumping to conclusions and making false accusations. Just like you did with ATI and your tuner. I'd suggest checking the facts before you run your mouth off.

Didn't you get banned for this once?
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 09:50 AM
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you forgot an option on your poll:

how many think this poll and thread is pointless and a waste of time....my check mark here

really....what does it accomplish besides creating more turmoil on this topic...???
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