Ultimate NA List... Add Your Suggestions!
Ultimate NA List... Add Your Suggestions!
Hey guys,
I am tryin to go all out Naturally Aspirated with my Z. I am planning on racing against my friends C6 on the track. Here is a list of mods I am considering. Please note: I know handling makes a huge difference on the track, but I will only be covering Power/Reliability Mods for now. I will make a separate handling thread at a later date.
What do you think are the essentials?
Any of these un-necessary/Harmful?
Any more mods you would add?
X = denotes I already have this mod
O = seriously considering
JWT Popcharger O
Grounding Kit
UR Pulleys X
Plenum (either KINETIX or Crawford) O
High Flow Cats (KINETIX, RT, Crawford) X
Exhaust X
Headers O
Cams O
Low Temp Thermostat
ARC Oil Pan
Technosquare ECU Reflash O
350EVO 3.9 Final Drive (Lower Top End)
Nismo LSD
AEBS' Stroker Kit
Clutch and Flywheel O
Radiator
Throttle Body
I am tryin to go all out Naturally Aspirated with my Z. I am planning on racing against my friends C6 on the track. Here is a list of mods I am considering. Please note: I know handling makes a huge difference on the track, but I will only be covering Power/Reliability Mods for now. I will make a separate handling thread at a later date.
What do you think are the essentials?
Any of these un-necessary/Harmful?
Any more mods you would add?
X = denotes I already have this mod
O = seriously considering
JWT Popcharger O
Grounding Kit
UR Pulleys X
Plenum (either KINETIX or Crawford) O
High Flow Cats (KINETIX, RT, Crawford) X
Exhaust X
Headers O
Cams O
Low Temp Thermostat
ARC Oil Pan
Technosquare ECU Reflash O
350EVO 3.9 Final Drive (Lower Top End)
Nismo LSD
AEBS' Stroker Kit
Clutch and Flywheel O
Radiator
Throttle Body
I think with all those mods you'd be at about 330-350hp. Not enough to keep up to a Z06. Maybe if you did all that and stripped the car down and put on carbon fiber body parts you might be close. On your list, my choice for clutch would be the Tilton. That would help a bunch.
My suggestion would be to spend the money on driving lessons. That is your best chance to keep up with a Z06. The 3.5L simply does not put out enough HP to hang with a well piloted Z06. Adding 50-70hp will not really help. You need almost 120hp!! The good news is that a well piloted Z can beat a poorly piloted or even modestly piloted Z06!!
My suggestion would be to spend the money on driving lessons. That is your best chance to keep up with a Z06. The 3.5L simply does not put out enough HP to hang with a well piloted Z06. Adding 50-70hp will not really help. You need almost 120hp!! The good news is that a well piloted Z can beat a poorly piloted or even modestly piloted Z06!!
Damn chevy and their 400 hp big blocks. If this is any help: He got the 4 speed automatic. I'm guessing the gearing on this isn't exactly ideal so it should be easier for me to catch up in the twisties, correct?
Originally posted by ReavTek
Damn chevy and their 400 hp big blocks. If this is any help: He got the 4 speed automatic. I'm guessing the gearing on this isn't exactly ideal so it should be easier for me to catch up in the twisties, correct?
Damn chevy and their 400 hp big blocks. If this is any help: He got the 4 speed automatic. I'm guessing the gearing on this isn't exactly ideal so it should be easier for me to catch up in the twisties, correct?
Car & Driver just did a test with the new porsche 911 and the C6 Corvette (Not Z06) at a local road course here and the Corvette ran a 1:35.5. I've run a 1:40 on street tires with coilovers, sways and the 3.9 gear at that track. C&D times were by professional drivers and this is my first year, but it gives you an idea. I think with the Tilton added to my setup I'll come in around 1:38. With some more practice I could probably whittle another couple of second off for a 1:36. But thats about it. So that's how you can expect to fare against a well driven C6 non-Z06. Now add the extra power of a Z06 and the Z51 handling package and you lose another 3 or 4 seconds. Its pretty much a fact of life. :-(
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Sounds good too me if i can pull a 13.87 1/4 im my 97 maxima with a 3.5 block 3.0 heads, JWT cams, UDP, headers and a lightweight flywheel, then a 350z should be able to do alot better.
Originally posted by homiusang
ditto on getting driving lessons. You will be able to make up some HP difference if you are a decent driver.
ditto on getting driving lessons. You will be able to make up some HP difference if you are a decent driver.
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The stroker hit is a must if you want to get into Zo6 territory.
Actually it will probably feel a lot like a zo6 as well. Another recommendation would be the Tilton street flywheel and 350 evo gears.
The zo6 had short gearing so it will be tough to out accelerate it with the same hp, you would also have to have a shorter final drive to consistantly be faster.
The point is you don't want to rely on perfect driving to beat something that is stock. What if the zo6 at the track also has good driver and has some mods.
The capabilities of your car need to surpass the zo6 in every way.
there is a long list.
There are new headers out, Autowerks? supposedly 20 hp.
Aebs stroker kit would be nice but consider supercharging it as well because you're going tobe building the engine to handle it with the kit so might as well make use of it. You will not have that laggy feel assocaited with turbo. Ande depending on what you wan't you can choose from centrifugal chargers to twin screw.
The z06 is all about low end torque, you need to beat it at it's own game. I would get the dreamworkes supercharger. That with the aebs stroker kit will kill a zo6 as long as you have the tilton flywheel and some genuine coilovers and road racing tires.
Get a quaife differential when it comes out, they are virtually indestructable.
Also you can probably get away with just an N/A aebs stroker and a flywheel but you would end up spending a lot more on handling and then you would definetly need the 350 evo final drive. Also there is a 350 evo sphericla bearing kit that looks good.
Actually it will probably feel a lot like a zo6 as well. Another recommendation would be the Tilton street flywheel and 350 evo gears.
The zo6 had short gearing so it will be tough to out accelerate it with the same hp, you would also have to have a shorter final drive to consistantly be faster.
The point is you don't want to rely on perfect driving to beat something that is stock. What if the zo6 at the track also has good driver and has some mods.
The capabilities of your car need to surpass the zo6 in every way.
there is a long list.
There are new headers out, Autowerks? supposedly 20 hp.
Aebs stroker kit would be nice but consider supercharging it as well because you're going tobe building the engine to handle it with the kit so might as well make use of it. You will not have that laggy feel assocaited with turbo. Ande depending on what you wan't you can choose from centrifugal chargers to twin screw.
The z06 is all about low end torque, you need to beat it at it's own game. I would get the dreamworkes supercharger. That with the aebs stroker kit will kill a zo6 as long as you have the tilton flywheel and some genuine coilovers and road racing tires.
Get a quaife differential when it comes out, they are virtually indestructable.
Also you can probably get away with just an N/A aebs stroker and a flywheel but you would end up spending a lot more on handling and then you would definetly need the 350 evo final drive. Also there is a 350 evo sphericla bearing kit that looks good.
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Originally posted by adanande
The stroker hit is a must if you want to get into Zo6 territory.
Actually it will probably feel a lot like a zo6 as well. Another recommendation would be the Tilton street flywheel and 350 evo gears.
The zo6 had short gearing so it will be tough to out accelerate it with the same hp, you would also have to have a shorter final drive to consistantly be faster.
The point is you don't want to rely on perfect driving to beat something that is stock. What if the zo6 at the track also has good driver and has some mods.
The capabilities of your car need to surpass the zo6 in every way.
there is a long list.
There are new headers out, Autowerks? supposedly 20 hp.
Aebs stroker kit would be nice but consider supercharging it as well because you're going tobe building the engine to handle it with the kit so might as well make use of it. You will not have that laggy feel assocaited with turbo. Ande depending on what you wan't you can choose from centrifugal chargers to twin screw.
The z06 is all about low end torque, you need to beat it at it's own game. I would get the dreamworkes supercharger. That with the aebs stroker kit will kill a zo6 as long as you have the tilton flywheel and some genuine coilovers and road racing tires.
Get a quaife differential when it comes out, they are virtually indestructable.
Also you can probably get away with just an N/A aebs stroker and a flywheel but you would end up spending a lot more on handling and then you would definetly need the 350 evo final drive. Also there is a 350 evo sphericla bearing kit that looks good.
The stroker hit is a must if you want to get into Zo6 territory.
Actually it will probably feel a lot like a zo6 as well. Another recommendation would be the Tilton street flywheel and 350 evo gears.
The zo6 had short gearing so it will be tough to out accelerate it with the same hp, you would also have to have a shorter final drive to consistantly be faster.
The point is you don't want to rely on perfect driving to beat something that is stock. What if the zo6 at the track also has good driver and has some mods.
The capabilities of your car need to surpass the zo6 in every way.
there is a long list.
There are new headers out, Autowerks? supposedly 20 hp.
Aebs stroker kit would be nice but consider supercharging it as well because you're going tobe building the engine to handle it with the kit so might as well make use of it. You will not have that laggy feel assocaited with turbo. Ande depending on what you wan't you can choose from centrifugal chargers to twin screw.
The z06 is all about low end torque, you need to beat it at it's own game. I would get the dreamworkes supercharger. That with the aebs stroker kit will kill a zo6 as long as you have the tilton flywheel and some genuine coilovers and road racing tires.
Get a quaife differential when it comes out, they are virtually indestructable.
Also you can probably get away with just an N/A aebs stroker and a flywheel but you would end up spending a lot more on handling and then you would definetly need the 350 evo final drive. Also there is a 350 evo sphericla bearing kit that looks good.
FYI, the Z06s are NOT geared short. Mid 70s in 2nd gear, odd third gear coming in at 90... but a MONSTER 4th...
Before telling ALL this... how about giving us a better idea what you're going to be using it for?
Drag Race?
Road Racing?
Street Racing?
The Z06 is a track car with comfort... the Z on the other hand is a very sporty street car... with track inspiration.
Hey guys,
My Z will be used for three things:
1) Drifting
This means I'm going to be revving high for a sustained amount of time so I think I need cooling work.
2) Auto-X
These upgrades will be covered later as it mostly requires handling and structural items.
3) Track
Think a track resembling Tsukuba... A series of sweepers and hard braking left and right handers with a single straightaway.
Honestly, in Drifting and Auto-X I think it all depends on my level of skill and not so much the car so no amount of upgrades would make me better at winning in these. I simply have to practice.
For the track I think I can defeat a vette in the twisties but I need more power for any straights I may encounter. What I am asking (in general) is what items that I do not have would be essential for an NA machine. I know that I will be getting an intake, plenum, and a set of headers... Other than that how can I get more power?
My Z will be used for three things:
1) Drifting
This means I'm going to be revving high for a sustained amount of time so I think I need cooling work.
2) Auto-X
These upgrades will be covered later as it mostly requires handling and structural items.
3) Track
Think a track resembling Tsukuba... A series of sweepers and hard braking left and right handers with a single straightaway.
Honestly, in Drifting and Auto-X I think it all depends on my level of skill and not so much the car so no amount of upgrades would make me better at winning in these. I simply have to practice.
For the track I think I can defeat a vette in the twisties but I need more power for any straights I may encounter. What I am asking (in general) is what items that I do not have would be essential for an NA machine. I know that I will be getting an intake, plenum, and a set of headers... Other than that how can I get more power?
Originally posted by ReavTek
Hey guys,
My Z will be used for three things:
1) Drifting
This means I'm going to be revving high for a sustained amount of time so I think I need cooling work.
2) Auto-X
These upgrades will be covered later as it mostly requires handling and structural items.
3) Track
Think a track resembling Tsukuba... A series of sweepers and hard braking left and right handers with a single straightaway.
Honestly, in Drifting and Auto-X I think it all depends on my level of skill and not so much the car so no amount of upgrades would make me better at winning in these. I simply have to practice.
For the track I think I can defeat a vette in the twisties but I need more power for any straights I may encounter. What I am asking (in general) is what items that I do not have would be essential for an NA machine. I know that I will be getting an intake, plenum, and a set of headers... Other than that how can I get more power?
Hey guys,
My Z will be used for three things:
1) Drifting
This means I'm going to be revving high for a sustained amount of time so I think I need cooling work.
2) Auto-X
These upgrades will be covered later as it mostly requires handling and structural items.
3) Track
Think a track resembling Tsukuba... A series of sweepers and hard braking left and right handers with a single straightaway.
Honestly, in Drifting and Auto-X I think it all depends on my level of skill and not so much the car so no amount of upgrades would make me better at winning in these. I simply have to practice.
For the track I think I can defeat a vette in the twisties but I need more power for any straights I may encounter. What I am asking (in general) is what items that I do not have would be essential for an NA machine. I know that I will be getting an intake, plenum, and a set of headers... Other than that how can I get more power?
1. The 3.9 final drive
2. Aftermarket LSD
3. Tilton flywheel/Clutch.
These three mods alone will literally transform the Z into a different car. Of course, that's about $4000 bucks worth of stuff installed. I'd call it about a stage 3 upgrade. It would put you lightyears ahead of other cars in our price range at the track and on the street.
Then add Crawford plenum, headers, cats, cams and ECU for a stage 4. There's another $4500+.
There's lots of non-power related track stuff too. Like an oil cooler, power steering cooler, differential cooler and finned diff cover, thermostat, radiator etc. You had most of those on the list already.
BTW, the Tilton is getting installed in my car this weekend and should be ready Monday. I already have the 3.9 fd so look for my review of the Tilton/3.9 combo tomorrow night. Those three power mods are the first that should be done to any car that is tracked. If I had it to do over again that's where I would have started. You'll need much better suspension and tires too.
Last edited by zillinois; Nov 7, 2004 at 04:26 PM.
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Re: Ultimate NA List... Add Your Suggestions!
X = denotes I already have this mod
O = seriously considering
JWT Popcharger O - A MUST if you want to have a hard pulling Z
Grounding Kit
UR Pulleys X
Plenum (either KINETIX or Crawford) O
High Flow Cats (KINETIX, RT, Crawford) X
Exhaust X
Headers O
Cams O - do last
Low Temp Thermostat
ARC Oil Pan
Technosquare ECU Reflash O - after you done with everyhing
350EVO 3.9 Final Drive (Lower Top End)
Nismo LSD
AEBS' Stroker Kit
Clutch and Flywheel O - tilton street set up would be the best for NA set up
Radiator
Throttle Body
O = seriously considering
JWT Popcharger O - A MUST if you want to have a hard pulling Z
Grounding Kit
UR Pulleys X
Plenum (either KINETIX or Crawford) O
High Flow Cats (KINETIX, RT, Crawford) X
Exhaust X
Headers O
Cams O - do last
Low Temp Thermostat
ARC Oil Pan
Technosquare ECU Reflash O - after you done with everyhing
350EVO 3.9 Final Drive (Lower Top End)
Nismo LSD
AEBS' Stroker Kit
Clutch and Flywheel O - tilton street set up would be the best for NA set up
Radiator
Throttle Body
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Originally posted by ReavTek
Hey guys,
My Z will be used for three things:
1) Drifting
This means I'm going to be revving high for a sustained amount of time so I think I need cooling work.
2) Auto-X
These upgrades will be covered later as it mostly requires handling and structural items.
3) Track
Think a track resembling Tsukuba... A series of sweepers and hard braking left and right handers with a single straightaway.
Honestly, in Drifting and Auto-X I think it all depends on my level of skill and not so much the car so no amount of upgrades would make me better at winning in these. I simply have to practice.
For the track I think I can defeat a vette in the twisties but I need more power for any straights I may encounter. What I am asking (in general) is what items that I do not have would be essential for an NA machine. I know that I will be getting an intake, plenum, and a set of headers... Other than that how can I get more power?
Hey guys,
My Z will be used for three things:
1) Drifting
This means I'm going to be revving high for a sustained amount of time so I think I need cooling work.
2) Auto-X
These upgrades will be covered later as it mostly requires handling and structural items.
3) Track
Think a track resembling Tsukuba... A series of sweepers and hard braking left and right handers with a single straightaway.
Honestly, in Drifting and Auto-X I think it all depends on my level of skill and not so much the car so no amount of upgrades would make me better at winning in these. I simply have to practice.
For the track I think I can defeat a vette in the twisties but I need more power for any straights I may encounter. What I am asking (in general) is what items that I do not have would be essential for an NA machine. I know that I will be getting an intake, plenum, and a set of headers... Other than that how can I get more power?
EVERYTHING is going to be based on skill and experience.
If you want to balance the car out, get a set of Hotchkis sways... that way you will have SOME adjustability. Then get a set of wheels and tires, as you will be going through those.
For the events you mentioned the Z has PLENTY of power as it is.
