bena1916

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So in a couple of month's I'll be following my wife to Germany (she's military) and I'm a GS civilian. I think I've read we're allowed to register two vehicles on post--one of which the military will ship and the other on my dime. I know there's some older posts on modified cars but was hoping that someone there now has more recent information.

Will a modified z with CARB approved FI have any issues getting registered on base (Stuttgart area)?

I actually haven't pulled the trigger on the Stillen SC kit yet but I'm very close depending upon how much a*& pain this could cause on my impending move.

Thanks for any help.

NissanTracker

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Thats funny, I'm moving to Germany Febr. 22nd. I'm taking the Z with me as well. I'm shipping through Hamburg and bringing it to Nuremberg were my job is. The TUV does not even like aftermarket intakes/exhausts, etc... I've stripped mine down to stock to get it inspected at customs. I have a supercharger kit as well but I will install after it gets through customs. There is also taxes you have to pay (10% duty + 19% VAT). VAT= Value Added Tax, discourages you into selling it. There is a 03500 form that can be filled, but I just found this out from my assigned relocation's agent today.



-NissanTracker

bena1916

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Thanks for the info. I'm pretty sure my wife and I can register two cars through the military thereby bypassing the duty & VAT (the Z is the 2nd car). I'll be paying the shipping though and I'm leaning on going with Schumacher Cargo Logistics as they'll pick the Z up in Colorado and deliver it to Stuttgart--it's a bit more expensive for door to door but it eliminates the hassle of picking it up in Bremerhaven and dropping it off in Houston.

As time is ticking away it looks like the SC won't be installed here in any event. Stillen's kit isn't quite ready for prime time for the VQ35HR and GTM's kit isn't CARB approved yet.

BTW I grew up in MA (South Shore)--were you living out there?

angelo350z

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You're absolutely right about baypassing the German system. You'll be under the SOFA so you don't have to worry about any of that. The German inspection though, is fairly tough so just be ready. Check out the European threads on this forum. You'll just have to pay $30 a year to get each car registered and you can have up to a maximum of 4 vehicles. You would need an exception to policy letter if you plan on having four vehicles, and I'm sure you know that the military will only ship one per household.

As far as shipping went, I shipped mine through a a company in Miami. I opted for the containerized option and my car was trucked from the dealership and transported straight to my house in Germany. Great service for a little over $2.5K.

bena1916

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That's about what I've been quoted as well for the containerized option.

davidv

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Does your title show a lien?
Has the lien holder given you written permission to take the car out of country?


350zfan1

Moving to belgium soon on PCS orders.

Will my TT z make it through inspection?
Do i have to have a front or change plates because of being military?

Any help would greatly be appreciated

angelo350z

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Front plates are mandatory within the European Union. Whether your Z will pass inspection or not will depend on it's overall condition and modifications. Having forced induction isn't a reason to fail inspection. A steering wheel with no airbag, a ridiculously huge wing, too loud of an exhaust, etc, are common issues on modded vehicles.

NissanTracker

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I'm about 20-30 minutes outside of Boston, Lowell MA to be exact. I found out more info regarding taxes...

If you have owned the car for 1 year and has been registered for atleast a min. of 6 months, you can transfer the car as a "moving good"... making it duty free, thus bypassing any taxes. You would need to fill out a form 03500: Here is what my guy in germany said about it
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"After arriving in Germany you have to go to a individually technical check of the car at TÜV with § 21. It could be that you have to go to a garage, e.g. to install leverage of front-lights, other internal connection for fog-light, yellow turn-lights etc.

The check at TÜV will cost around € 250.

To register the car we will need:

* customs-clearance-paper

* technical-check at TÜV

* preliminary car-insurance

* bank-account for car-tax


To come back to a question of last mail. German car-insurance will accept the take-over of the no-claim-bonus of US in their calculation. This will save a lot of money for you.

Important is to get at the end of your stay in US a paper for a headquarter of your car-insurance about the years of driving without accidents INCLUDING the final date of insurance.

If you take this letter with you, it will save time.


Your driving-license from Massachusetts will be accepted in Germany. You could drive 6 months with it. We will switch it within this time to a german driving-license. You do not have to go to driving-school. "

"Regarding the question of taxes for an imported car, I could not give you a reliable answer. May I ask you again to contact a specialist for importing cars from US to Germany.

You could declare your car as "Übersiedlungsgut" and you have to fill in a form "0350" to avoid taxes"

-NisssanTracker

NissanTracker

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That is correct. Customs requires a copy of the title. I called a couple banks and they require the collateral to be located on mainland US soil.


-NissanTracker

bena1916

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So I'm basically going to ship my Z through the same company that shipped my wife's G through the military as our 2nd vehicle. At the end of the day after tracking down several quotes the Transcar folks were $300 to $400 cheaper once you figure in the port fees on the Bremerhaven side however I'll have to drive my car to Dallas to get it into the VPC military system instead of the other companies picking it up at my door in Colorado. Total price Dallas to Stuttgart including my air fare back to Colorado (after dropping it off in Dallas) is about $3100.

I could probably shop a bit more and save a few bucks but using these folks eliminates the additional forms on the German side--BTW, with the shipping companies outside the military system there seems like there is still some confusion on which German forms need to be filled to not have to pay the import taxes and VAT.

Regarding the title questions. In my situation being a military dependent and having USAA as my lien holder on the Z there is no problem shipping it to Germany. The folks at USAA provided a certified copy of the title as well as a permission to ship letter and that's all the VPC guys require.

*ICE*

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think about all the money you will save getting the new BMW or Audi once you guys about to leave Germany and back to the states... if you can bring one car over, you can bring one back (new BMW/Audi).. I knew a few people who got M5 and M6 in Germany for dirt cheap and they brought it back to the States, sold them and made pretty good money.

angelo350z

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You don't have to pay for taxes if you show the shipping company your orders. I went through Container Services International and I had no problems. The following is one of our first correspondence:

YES, WE CAN ARRANGE PICK UP IN CORAL SPRINGS , FL.

TRUCKING TO MIAMI , FL (WAREHOUSE) $ 175.00

WE CAN OFFER YOU FOLLOWING CONTAINER CONSOLIDATION RATE:

OCEAN FREIGHT $ 1300.00

US CUSTOMS CLEARANCE $ 75.00

PLEASE NOTE THAT WE NEED FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS FOR US CUSTOMS CLEARANCE:

ORIGINAL TITLE

COPY OF THE BILL OF SALES

US DRIVERS LICENSE COPY AND YOU MILITARY ID.

EXPORT POWER OF ATTORNEY SIGNED AND NOTARIZED (NEEDS TO BE SEND IN ORIGINAL)

FIND ATTACHED P.O.A.

IF YOU HAVE, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME.


BEST REGARDS,

NICOLE GITZEN

Container Services Int'l, Inc. | 8429 NW 74th Street | Miami , FL 33166 |

Tel : 305-477-9500


When the vessel left the US, I contacted the German counterpart as they required more documents to clear German customs:

Andrea Zubac
CSI Germany GmbH
Droste-Hülshoff-Str. 22
40474 Düsseldorf
www.csigermany.de
Tel: +49 211/ 4576735
Fax: +49 211/ 4576745
Mail andrea.zubac@csigermany.de

If I ever ship another vehicle on my own dime, they would definitely be the company I'd go through. Like I said, they picked up and trucked my then brand new Z from the dealership in Miami to the port, put it in a container, then transported the vehicle all the way to my house which was 6 hours away from Bremerhaven.

bena1916

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So how much did they charge you on the German side--port fees and shipping from Bremerhaven?

angelo350z

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I believe it was an extra 650 Euros.