Who make the best CF?
02-28-2008, 09:41 PM
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Who make the best CF?
In everyone's personal opinion, who makes the best Carbon fiber products? I just ordered a OE Seibon CF hood for my 07 Nismo. I was told Seibon make the best. I had a VIS hood and trunk lid on my last car but the fitment wasn't so great. Just curious to know what ya'll think?
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Originally Posted by Ivory
Ive been hearing some horror stories about everything CF. I think the overall CF product quality on the market is not up to par.
CF is a very popular trend so many people want it. This in turn creates a market for cheap CF which happens to be 90% of what you see.
When you start paying top dollar for smaller amounts of CF you will see a dramatic increase in quality. For example, if you look at Craftsquare mirrors. You won't see any flaws, it is super light and it wont discolor. Now when you take a look at a CF hood made by X company, the weave will most likely have runs in it, it won't be even, it will probably be just as heavy or near it, and it has a high chance of turning yellow.
To the OP. I personally don't think either of the companies you've named make good CF. Matter a fact I would dare say they make some of the lower echelon of CF products on the market.
If you are looking to get good CF products, expect to be paying top dollars.
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Originally Posted by rxkevin
Well it is hard to say this because 90% of the CF isn't high quality made and super expensive.
CF is a very popular trend so many people want it. This in turn creates a market for cheap CF which happens to be 90% of what you see.
When you start paying top dollar for smaller amounts of CF you will see a dramatic increase in quality. For example, if you look at Craftsquare mirrors. You won't see any flaws, it is super light and it wont discolor. Now when you take a look at a CF hood made by X company, the weave will most likely have runs in it, it won't be even, it will probably be just as heavy or near it, and it has a high chance of turning yellow.
To the OP. I personally don't think either of the companies you've named make good CF. Matter a fact I would dare say they make some of the lower echelon of CF products on the market.
If you are looking to get good CF products, expect to be paying top dollars.
CF is a very popular trend so many people want it. This in turn creates a market for cheap CF which happens to be 90% of what you see.
When you start paying top dollar for smaller amounts of CF you will see a dramatic increase in quality. For example, if you look at Craftsquare mirrors. You won't see any flaws, it is super light and it wont discolor. Now when you take a look at a CF hood made by X company, the weave will most likely have runs in it, it won't be even, it will probably be just as heavy or near it, and it has a high chance of turning yellow.
To the OP. I personally don't think either of the companies you've named make good CF. Matter a fact I would dare say they make some of the lower echelon of CF products on the market.
If you are looking to get good CF products, expect to be paying top dollars.
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ASM stuff is really in a different league when you talk about CF. Their Dry Carbon S2000 is probably one of the sickest cars I have seen. As well as Amuse's Dry Carbon stuff.
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Originally Posted by rxkevin
ASM stuff is really in a different league when you talk about CF. Their Dry Carbon S2000 is probably one of the sickest cars I have seen. As well as Amuse's Dry Carbon stuff.
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Noticed small cracks in the hood of my Seibon VT the other day. The hood is less than a year old and the car is only a Sunday ride and is garaged.
I think this hood was manufactured in China and another piece of crap being shipped into this country for US consumers to purchase.
I think this hood was manufactured in China and another piece of crap being shipped into this country for US consumers to purchase.
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Well I don't mean to bash on wet laid carbon at all. Matter a fact MasterGrade has some very good Carbon Fiber them selves. The weaves look very good, there is a saving of weight, but when you compare the price vs Seibon, you know where your money is going.
I just personally would never buy any mass produced CF products if I can. There is less quality control at that point.
I just personally would never buy any mass produced CF products if I can. There is less quality control at that point.
02-29-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rxkevin
Well I don't mean to bash on wet laid carbon at all. Matter a fact MasterGrade has some very good Carbon Fiber them selves. The weaves look very good, there is a saving of weight, but when you compare the price vs Seibon, you know where your money is going.
I just personally would never buy any mass produced CF products if I can. There is less quality control at that point.
I just personally would never buy any mass produced CF products if I can. There is less quality control at that point.
Mastergrade vacuum bags not hand laid.
Let's be honest guys, there are 3 types of carbon fiber products.
1- the most common and more inexpensive carbon is the wet hand laid pieces. These are companies like Seibon, Vis, Carbon Creations, etc. These are the hoods that are under $600, and quality is great for what you pay for.
2- Vacuum bagged or Vacuum infused carbon. The tensile strength is much higher then hand laid. They use atmospheric pressure to squeeze out any excess resin (resin=weight), thus creating a VERY light and very durable part. I only know of 2-3 companies in the US who use Vacuum technique. Mastergrade hoods go for $900.
3- Dry carbon. These are HARD CORE parts for true enthusiasts. The weight is roughly 4lbs lighter then that of a vacuum hood but the price is in most cases over $2000 for a hood. I don't know of any US made company who makes dry parts for the Z.
02-29-2008, 10:31 AM
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I take it we are going off from a clean weave not dry vs. wet carbon...
I have the following and its all quality
Cwest, Autotecknic, Varis, Shine Auto Air duct, JIC Strut out of all those for prettiest weave... I would give it to Varis.
I had a Seibon hood, decent quality the weave was a 6-7 out of 10. Seibon is not the best though.... Maybe middle of the road.
I have the following and its all quality
Cwest, Autotecknic, Varis, Shine Auto Air duct, JIC Strut out of all those for prettiest weave... I would give it to Varis.
I had a Seibon hood, decent quality the weave was a 6-7 out of 10. Seibon is not the best though.... Maybe middle of the road.
02-29-2008, 11:18 AM
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Mastergrade vacuum bags not hand laid.
Let's be honest guys, there are 3 types of carbon fiber products.
1- the most common and more inexpensive carbon is the wet hand laid pieces. These are companies like Seibon, Vis, Carbon Creations, etc. These are the hoods that are under $600, and quality is great for what you pay for.
2- Vacuum bagged or Vacuum infused carbon. The tensile strength is much higher then hand laid. They use atmospheric pressure to squeeze out any excess resin (resin=weight), thus creating a VERY light and very durable part. I only know of 2-3 companies in the US who use Vacuum technique. Mastergrade hoods go for $900.
3- Dry carbon. These are HARD CORE parts for true enthusiasts. The weight is roughly 4lbs lighter then that of a vacuum hood but the price is in most cases over $2000 for a hood. I don't know of any US made company who makes dry parts for the Z.
Let's be honest guys, there are 3 types of carbon fiber products.
1- the most common and more inexpensive carbon is the wet hand laid pieces. These are companies like Seibon, Vis, Carbon Creations, etc. These are the hoods that are under $600, and quality is great for what you pay for.
2- Vacuum bagged or Vacuum infused carbon. The tensile strength is much higher then hand laid. They use atmospheric pressure to squeeze out any excess resin (resin=weight), thus creating a VERY light and very durable part. I only know of 2-3 companies in the US who use Vacuum technique. Mastergrade hoods go for $900.
3- Dry carbon. These are HARD CORE parts for true enthusiasts. The weight is roughly 4lbs lighter then that of a vacuum hood but the price is in most cases over $2000 for a hood. I don't know of any US made company who makes dry parts for the Z.
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