04.350z

iTrader: (5)

The emails are upside down so read the emails from the bottom up.

He also told me it was my fault that the exhaust was too close to the lip.
But when i ordered the lip from hopupracing.com it only stated two exhausts that the lip wouldn't fit.

Has anyone else had these problems with seibon?
And does anyone have any recommendations of what I should do with Seibon or the lip to repair it?

Pics of the damage on the bottom


RE: 350z tt style rear lip defective‏
From: Mikey Lee (mikey@seiboncarbon.com)
Sent: Tue 9/08/09 11:57 AM
To: 'damon lipscomb' ()

Hi Damon yes in the image it does show the lip is way to close to the exhaust. But we never stated that it will fit with an aftermarket exhaust. Please note that if this was a stock exhaust the damage will not happen at all. Please note that even the dealer would not tell you stuff like this. This is common sense. If your exhaust was too close to your stock bumper or your paint it would melt that too. If you try to touch it I’m sure it would burn your hands. In situations like this, you can not just blame us for your mishap. We do not state this on our website because as we said these parts are aftermarket parts and when anyone who purchase these parts will have the knowledge that these parts will not withstand heat. Same like any other parts that’s on the car. Thank you.



Mikey Lee

Seibon Carbon



www.seiboncarbon.com

mikey@seiboncarbon.com

Tel: 909-444-5900, ext 233

Fax: 909-444-5949



From: damon lipscomb [mailto:]
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:11 PM
To: mikey@seiboncarbon.com
Subject: RE: 350z tt style rear lip defective



Mike,
The product is designed to be in close proximity to the exhaust so I find it mildly ridiculous that the clear coat can't with stand the heat conditions created by the exhaust.
I feel that if this is a known problem it should be clearly stated before people spend hundreds of dollars on a product that is going to fail.


From: mikey@seiboncarbon.com
To: damonius05@hotmail.com; hopupracing@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: 350z tt style rear lip defective
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:36:48 -0700

Hi Damon sorry but our product is not heat treated. As already described on our website they are only UV protected. Please note that the Carbon fiber itself can withstand heat but the clear coat on there will not. Sorry but we are unable to process your claim. Thank you.



Mikey Lee

Seibon Carbon



www.seiboncarbon.com

mikey@seiboncarbon.com

Tel: 909-444-5900, ext 233

Fax: 909-444-5949



From: damon lipscomb [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:45 PM
To: mikey@seiboncarbon.com; hopupracing@yahoo.com
Subject: 350z tt style rear lip defective




Attention Steve and Mikey

I have sent you two pictures of the damage on my carbon fiber rear lip for my 350z.
The Z is a show car and sits in the garage unless traveling to a show.
The damage is around the drivers side exhaust outlet.
I believe the damage is from the exhaust heat, and the clear coat has seperated from the carbon fiber, which should not happen because the lip should be heat treated.
If the product is not capable of handling the heat it shouldn't be advertised as heat treated.
With such a reputable company I had hoped the product would hold up a little bit better than this.

Please let me know if the lip can be covered by warranty.
Thank you,
Damon

oh4TreefiddyZee

Honestly, I'm surprised you even got response from SEIBON. Their "warranty" is a joke and is never covered. They generally will ignore you and tell you to take it up with the shop you purchased it from.

In the end I know it can be frustrating but this is what you get for purchasing a very low quality body part. You will ALWAYS get what you pay for in the aero modification.

p.s. I have dealt with Mikey in the past, he's a complete ***.

Dark8lue

iTrader: (9)

thanks for informing everybody of where not to buy our parts....lol

04.350z

iTrader: (5)

yeah well i bought it from hopupracing.com and they had a really good price and i got it within 4 days which was awesome.
I wouldnt call it a cheap part. but I would call there warrenty a joke.
I find it ridiculous that he straight told me that the lip wouldnt withstand the heat from the exhaust.
I wanted to say are you Fu%$ing serious!!!

oh4TreefiddyZee

It's made in china by a 6 year old, I consider that cheap. If people actually knew the amount of time and cost to make carbon fiber parts they would realize these $300 lips and $500 hoods are crap.

I guess if your in it for just the carbon fiber look and not fitment, quality, longevity then Seibon is the way to go.

04.350z

iTrader: (5)

well to my knowledge there isn't much better than seibon in carbon fiber parts.

Any recommendations on brands for next time?

projectsupra

iTrader: (44)

He's right, that's just poor installation. The exhaust should have been moved or tips should have been bent or cut/welded and extended to fit the openings perfectly. If you couldn't do that, then the openings should have been cut for proper clearance. Looks like only the clear coat cracked and not the epoxy, fix the exhaust, sand down and re-clear.

Seibon is near the bottom of my list with VIS and Carbon Creations from the parts I've received.

aarantes

iTrader: (31)

Yeah I'm going to have to agree I could have looked at that and known that it would have burnt through the clear coat. Just fix the exhaust and re-clear it

Jay'Z

iTrader: (118)

Not the end of the world from where the problem is, pix not very good, nobody is going to put their face in ur exhaust tips, and you can fix that easily.

04.350z

iTrader: (5)

i already reshaped the hanger to make it fit.

oh4TreefiddyZee

Asuka, Top secret, Varis, Mastergrade, Chargespeed, Veilside, Voltex, Amuse, C-west, etc., etc.

Seibon, Vis, and Carbon Creations all fall at the bottom of the list.

o2sys

iTrader: (27)

dibs if you wanna sell it!

AlvinHuyN

iTrader: (73)

+1000. Brands I've owned that fits perfectly and cosmetically perfect:

Chargespeed - had entire kits (bottomline) and various pieces on my Evo and Z - all perfect!
Asuka - Hatch, fits perfectly, so much better than expected for a hatch!
Voltex - rear diffuser, so sick and perfect fitment
Top Secret - flawless hood
INGS+1 - Perfect fender
GruppeM - beautiful weave
Rexpeed - perfect
RSW - perfect


Bad pieces:

VIS - good and bad...hatch on my teg was ok...hood had a huge glob of clear coat - no warranty l super lame! OEM Z hood fits "ok" but not perfect.

Carbon Creation - so called strong hood cracked when closing....

oh4TreefiddyZee

FYi, that is a mastergrade hatch not Asuka. I remember when Vince bought it. Also don't forget about Evo-R in the not so good list. Remember all the troubles Vince had with that.

04.350z

iTrader: (5)

thanks for the info .
i dont think i am going to sell it as of now.
i have a show to be at next week and i wont have time to sell mine and order and intall a new one.

but if i do decide to sell ill post in in the market place

Jay'Z

iTrader: (118)

Pics of car pls......

04.350z

iTrader: (5)

I posted posted pics of the damage but I cab post pics of my last shoot soon