Do you have questions about HIDs?
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Do you have questions about HIDs?
Been reading that there are a few people with questions about lighting, projectors, HIDs, ect.
Just thought I would post a couple links for those that are seaking info/products:
Hidforum.com has tons of answers
Those loking for HID products - 4100K capsules, 6000k capsules, ballasts, ect:
HID-online is very reputable and has quality products
Just thought I would post a couple links for those that are seaking info/products:
Hidforum.com has tons of answers
Those loking for HID products - 4100K capsules, 6000k capsules, ballasts, ect:
HID-online is very reputable and has quality products
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Originally posted by Z-INCOGNITO
why doesnt it have 350z?
why doesnt it have 350z?
Low beam headlamp for Base models
Part number = H7
High beam headlamp for Base models
Part number = H1
Low Beam for HID equipped models
Part number = D2R HID Capsule
High Beam for HID equipped models
Part number = H7
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Originally posted by jor8888
What does it takes to upgrade the base model? Like just need 2 ballasts and 2 H7 capsules? Can we wire directly to the old wires? Do we need new projectors?
What does it takes to upgrade the base model? Like just need 2 ballasts and 2 H7 capsules? Can we wire directly to the old wires? Do we need new projectors?
You should be alble to install a conversion kit with minimal difficulty.
Link to Kit
Another option would be to find the HID housings from an upper model of the Z. and purchase a D2R capsule and ballast setup.
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Zivman,
What do you think about these 50watt ballast kits? I'm thinking about replacing my high beams with these. And placing my old setup on the fogs for my S4.
Stage III HID Kit
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What do you think about these 50watt ballast kits? I'm thinking about replacing my high beams with these. And placing my old setup on the fogs for my S4.
Stage III HID Kit
dan
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I don't know what type of ballasts they are, but from my knowledge, the bulbs are what determines the lumens, not the ballasts. They claim to sell osram and phillips bulbs and ballasts so they may be legit. I would be a bit skeptical as I have never heard any setup putting out 5000 lumens.
I will post this over at HIDforums and see what they have to say.
I will post this over at HIDforums and see what they have to say.
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Some comments from HIDforums:
"doubtful. it would depend on the bulb and the ballast. current d2 from philips/osram yeilds 91-92 efficiency rating(it's early and i don't remember the exact rating).... you'd need a more effiecient bulb to get pass the 5000 lumen point since standard d2 push to 50 watt (not sure how long it'll last or how the effiecency rating will hold) would supposedly give you around 4600 lumens (assuming the efficency of the bulb remains at 91-92 with the extra push)
http://www.powerchordnetwork.com/ke...ils.asp?id=1693
this ballast has an efficency rating of 89, so with that ballast, the output would be around 4500 (assuming that the weakest part is the maximum, 89 effientcy ballast with 92 effientcy bulb giving you around [ 89 x 50 = ] 4450 lumen output )
so unless you're using a bulb with a higher effiency rating, you'd be pretty much restricted to the ( 92 x 50 = ) 4600 lumens (and thats assuming that the ballast is as efficent as the bulb or higher, otherwise output will be slightly less, like with that boost ballast above)
on top of everything, not all of that light will be used as well... efficentcy of the projector(or reflector) has to be calculated to get the actual output. the top hid projector presumably has an efficentcy of around 55% meaning that it'll use approximately 55% of the total amount of light given to it. with that in mind, a 3200 lumen bulb in that projector only uses 1760 lumens from the total 3200, giving you around 3520 lumen total from a possible 6400 lumen (both projectors). a low end hid projector might have an efficentcy rating of around 40% (from a 3200 lumen bulb, that gives you 1280 lumens per projector and 2560 per set). you can see the role that efficentcy plays.
with that, a low efficentcy projector using a "boost" ballast would yield about the same output as a high efficentcy projector using "normal" ballasts."
"Auerswald ballasts use this wattage, along with a selector to choose the standard 35W. We discussed this in Herman'n forum because some users actually had it on test. They did mention a huge difference in output, but the question still remains as to how long the life of the bulb is at that power. Some call it stage III HID. In my opinion, for as long as something has not been tested, approved, and manufactured by an OEM suplier such as Philips, I wont go along with it."
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"doubtful. it would depend on the bulb and the ballast. current d2 from philips/osram yeilds 91-92 efficiency rating(it's early and i don't remember the exact rating).... you'd need a more effiecient bulb to get pass the 5000 lumen point since standard d2 push to 50 watt (not sure how long it'll last or how the effiecency rating will hold) would supposedly give you around 4600 lumens (assuming the efficency of the bulb remains at 91-92 with the extra push)
http://www.powerchordnetwork.com/ke...ils.asp?id=1693
this ballast has an efficency rating of 89, so with that ballast, the output would be around 4500 (assuming that the weakest part is the maximum, 89 effientcy ballast with 92 effientcy bulb giving you around [ 89 x 50 = ] 4450 lumen output )
so unless you're using a bulb with a higher effiency rating, you'd be pretty much restricted to the ( 92 x 50 = ) 4600 lumens (and thats assuming that the ballast is as efficent as the bulb or higher, otherwise output will be slightly less, like with that boost ballast above)
on top of everything, not all of that light will be used as well... efficentcy of the projector(or reflector) has to be calculated to get the actual output. the top hid projector presumably has an efficentcy of around 55% meaning that it'll use approximately 55% of the total amount of light given to it. with that in mind, a 3200 lumen bulb in that projector only uses 1760 lumens from the total 3200, giving you around 3520 lumen total from a possible 6400 lumen (both projectors). a low end hid projector might have an efficentcy rating of around 40% (from a 3200 lumen bulb, that gives you 1280 lumens per projector and 2560 per set). you can see the role that efficentcy plays.
with that, a low efficentcy projector using a "boost" ballast would yield about the same output as a high efficentcy projector using "normal" ballasts."
"Auerswald ballasts use this wattage, along with a selector to choose the standard 35W. We discussed this in Herman'n forum because some users actually had it on test. They did mention a huge difference in output, but the question still remains as to how long the life of the bulb is at that power. Some call it stage III HID. In my opinion, for as long as something has not been tested, approved, and manufactured by an OEM suplier such as Philips, I wont go along with it."
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Our lamps start their life as Standard Philips D2 lamps made on the discharge production line in Aachen, Germany. These are the same lamps as supplied to the worlds car manufacturers for Original Equipment fit. They are specified as 6000K colour temperature , 2800 lumen UV Cut Quartz glass. We rebase the lamps and the primary components are optically positioned for halogen retrofit application by laser
That was quoted off of HID-online's web site. For those of you wondering, rebased bulbs are illegal.
What do you think about these 50watt ballast kits? I'm thinking about replacing my high beams with these. And placing my old setup on the fogs for my S4.
50W HID.. quite illegal as well. Sounds like fun stuff, very risk to sell from a vendor's standpoint.
That was quoted off of HID-online's web site. For those of you wondering, rebased bulbs are illegal.
What do you think about these 50watt ballast kits? I'm thinking about replacing my high beams with these. And placing my old setup on the fogs for my S4.
50W HID.. quite illegal as well. Sounds like fun stuff, very risk to sell from a vendor's standpoint.
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One more comment:
"Bulb life has been tested to have up to 40% less life. Keep in mind that most of the systems out there using 50W ballasts use inferior capsules... so youre shortening the life of an already short lived capsule. Why do they use inferior capsules? I believe the 50W ballasts use a different frequency? So a 4100K capsule actually appears more yellow... so they use stuff like 7000K capsules to compensate... and we all know 7000K = junk..."
"Bulb life has been tested to have up to 40% less life. Keep in mind that most of the systems out there using 50W ballasts use inferior capsules... so youre shortening the life of an already short lived capsule. Why do they use inferior capsules? I believe the 50W ballasts use a different frequency? So a 4100K capsule actually appears more yellow... so they use stuff like 7000K capsules to compensate... and we all know 7000K = junk..."
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Originally posted by Zivman
One more comment:
"Bulb life has been tested to have up to 40% less life. Keep in mind that most of the systems out there using 50W ballasts use inferior capsules... so youre shortening the life of an already short lived capsule. Why do they use inferior capsules? I believe the 50W ballasts use a different frequency? So a 4100K capsule actually appears more yellow... so they use stuff like 7000K capsules to compensate... and we all know 7000K = junk..."
One more comment:
"Bulb life has been tested to have up to 40% less life. Keep in mind that most of the systems out there using 50W ballasts use inferior capsules... so youre shortening the life of an already short lived capsule. Why do they use inferior capsules? I believe the 50W ballasts use a different frequency? So a 4100K capsule actually appears more yellow... so they use stuff like 7000K capsules to compensate... and we all know 7000K = junk..."
Please people, do yourselves a favor and head over to http://hidforum.com/forum/ and do some reading.
I don't know where you find this motionR stuff as well as others, but IMO, you're just wasting your money. There are tons of people over their that are MUCH more knowledgable than me that will help you out. DohDoh is one of them that has tons of info if you're looking for help with HIDs
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Originally posted by Zivman
One more comment:
"Bulb life has been tested to have up to 40% less life. Keep in mind that most of the systems out there using 50W ballasts use inferior capsules... so youre shortening the life of an already short lived capsule. Why do they use inferior capsules? I believe the 50W ballasts use a different frequency? So a 4100K capsule actually appears more yellow... so they use stuff like 7000K capsules to compensate... and we all know 7000K = junk..."
One more comment:
"Bulb life has been tested to have up to 40% less life. Keep in mind that most of the systems out there using 50W ballasts use inferior capsules... so youre shortening the life of an already short lived capsule. Why do they use inferior capsules? I believe the 50W ballasts use a different frequency? So a 4100K capsule actually appears more yellow... so they use stuff like 7000K capsules to compensate... and we all know 7000K = junk..."
Please people, do yourselves a favor and head over to http://hidforum.com/forum/ and do some reading.
I don't know where you find this motionR stuff as well as others, but IMO, you're just wasting your money.
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