Wow you guys know your FI. I am grasping to understand some of the thing you are talking about in more specific terms.

Back to the drawing board for me

 

Tom (EnthuZiast),

I'm going through the same debate's with myself over which FI way to go or just wait & save for the new GTR or Z06. If I go with FI, it will be APS all the way because of the detail and quality of their kits. They've seemed to (I said seemed) solve the blown engine concerns I have with other kits. For 5K for the Single Turbo and a little more than half the installation cost of TT, with conservative boost you could be running an additional 174whp/180trq, pretty reliably. I say reliably because Peter/APS has some convincing arguments to that fact. He believe's with "out of the box" boost on either the ST or TT, the internals should be fine without upgrading. All of course with a reputable installer/tuner. So this kind of performance for around 6.5K-7K installed for the ST or 11K for TT is compelling.

You can start with this power for now and if you get board or get too used to it and want to take it the next level, do the internals and turn up the boost on either system.

The other factor is traction with this kind of power. Has anyone solved it yet? With cars like the GTR that come with AWD and the ZO6 with it's setup engineered for 500hp, they've been setup by the factory to put their power to the ground. Our cars haven't been, so can that be really controlled with aftermarket mods?

I can relate to what you're going through. Good luck with your decision.

Brian

 

Quaife LSD and new tires (wider) should take care of that.

 

From what ive read, the new Z06 and GT-R are real gems. The performance and the materials involed to build these 2 cars are quite substancial, and if they can be sold around 60k-70k, it would be no small feat. But you know, some ppl just wont be happy with stock power. And those ppl are what this section of the forum is all about.

 

You're right but man what starting place!

 

Brian you Echo my thoughts exactly.
I dont want to invest...look back...and decide I should have used that down payment on a different car.

But I know I love my Z and at 23 I will not feel "right" yet rolling a Bimmer or an AMG product. I want to have a "young" car like the 350Z. (Just my view please do not flame on that)

Anyway if "So this kind of performance for around 6.5K-7K" this is a true statement I can deal with that. But over 10K I would rather put a down on a 911 or something of that calabre.

I cant believe how stuck i am on this !

 

If you want to do it the safest way possible, get a crank angle sensor wire, CJ-M or AAM fuel system (single-fuel pump, return-style), pistons, rods, and ARP head and main studs, and a good tune.

You could do 360rwhp safely and not worry about it, or do 380 - 400rwhp and not worry about it at all AND have the possibility to turn up the boost without worrying.

This is a good thread on the two single turbo systems:
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....hreadid=111258

 

What would this cost me?
And tell me what it is like when you guys are in 3rd and you just stomp it down making that kind of power?....I need motivation

 

Around 10-15k like I said. But, also like I said, you don't have to do that.

I think the only way would be to show you, i.e., ask someone that has a F/I Z near you if you can have a ride in it.

 

I WISH!
I dont know anyone in Phoenix with one
There was kid from Dallas who lives here now with a Greddy TT Automatic who took me for a ride.....but he never really opened it up since we were in old town Scottsdale traffic.

 

I'm 38 and I still want a "young" car too. For the money you want to spend, I'd think the APS ST would be the way to go. Based on what APS is saying the cost should be around $5K complete. Also, according to APS, the install should be only half the time of an TT install. So were talking $7K-$7.5K installed with gauges for 120whp+/130+whtq!

Check out their website...
APS ST

 

I too was in the same arena of searching. What I found was that the TT kits can be safe if done with a proper tune. In the case of the greddy my research (and I'm sure some will disagree) led me to believe the safest way was to delete 2 of the maps and go with only one fuel map.

Plenty of people have blown engines with improper timing and ATI or Vortech.

Mainly due to the amount I would have to spend and the amount of power that I desire I decided on the stillen stage 2 with warranty. The kit was 5k'ish and install and painting the new hood was another 1.5. The kit will be installed second week of march and I will post the Dyno's and anything else I have.

I think FI is as individual of a choice as what wheels you get. Do your homework and decide what you want, not what someone else tells you is the best.

 

Have you heard of blown motors with Stillen?
Would Nissan cover that through Stillen as a 3rd party.

 

what's the dc? u a chiro too?

todd

 

Not quite sure what a chiro is? I'm afraid the screen name isn't very original, first name and I live in wash DC, sorry there isn't any more to read into. Plus I really need an avatar.

As for the stillen, they have not blown any motors yet (I did say yet). Some people will say it is because there just aren't as many out there (there are probably 10 times the greddy's out there). Personally, I think it is just a more conservative OEM type solution to FI. You don't get the crazy, **** yourself, shot out of a cannon once you reach 3500 rpm, but you do get all around power. It enhances the car.

I have driven a pretty crazy greddy, a vortech and a stillen. For me and the way I like to drive the stillen was the best choice. It may no be for you.

I am out of my 20's, married and do not street race. Don't get me wrong, I still like speed (I would not be building a FI Z if I didnt') and I would take the built VQ with a greddy TT in a new york minute, but when it came time to put down my own money I did what was right for me.

As for the insurance, they cover through a private carrier. From what I have read of the contract it is pretty standard and would stand up in a court if there was a problem. I do not know if stillen would make you go to court though.

Good luck.

 

My female friends ATI S/C Z that I do a lot of the wrench work on has made her extremely happy but also worried all the time that soemthing is going to break.

She loves showing up all the "fast" cars that wanna play.

ATI
J&S Safeguard
Headers
Test pipes
Exhaust
Plenum
Runs high to mid twelves on DR's and has been very reliable over 18000 miles since I installed it.

It has had pulley problems on occassion. Don't F/I a daily driver unless you've got a backup plan on how you are going to get around when it's "down" because it WILL be for things that are not a big deal for someone who can work on thier car and has another way to get around.

 

Just last week I modified my G35 with an ATI Procharger. I must admit that I love and the way it sounds but you'll have to be willing to spend some dough to do it right. Ido not regret it since I am like some of the folks here who just have to modify everything they get a hold of. I am running stock pullies and although I do not have huge amounts of Hrspwr and well pleased with the end result.