As I said before if I was you I would hold off on statements about how your kit will compare to the Turbonetics until they are side by side in a dyno shoot out. I was hoping to go against your TT kit in the upcoming Sport Z mag. i woud love to go against both your ST and TT kit for some real world testing. How bout providing an ST kit for the test? I'm fairly confident the Turbonetics kit will not only perform to your kits level but exceed it. And as for the turbocharger you use I think the point was well made about the "greatness" of the turbos design.

 

No way. Turbonetics says a 60-1 flows 57 lbs = 570 hp crank. Garret says the GT35R flows a little over 60 lbs, enough for 600 hp crank. 650 rwhp is T66/67.

Anyone know a/r do the 60-1 and GT35R's come with?

 

Right the older 60-1 wheels may have. The compressor wheel in this turbo is a new design from Turbonetics. Like I said I have requested a map from Brad...



Edit: I am by no means claiming I have inside knowledge...just repeating what I heard...

 

Keep me up to date on the G kit so I can pass the word on the G forum.

 

Miaplaya, why don't you worry about what you're using and promoting (I don't tell you what you can post about your own turbo system or car) and I will concentrate on the APS single turbo system product and provide information to the guys, whilst keeping the information relevant to this thread.

This may be possible to organise though we have other commitments for magazine editorials which are a higher priority given our commitments to participate.

Well I'm equally confident that the APS intercooled single turbo system will easily out perform other single turbo products, not long before we will all know for sure.

Very true, it's not possible to expect a 40 year old Garrett turbo design to seriously compete with the aero dynamics and the bearing system of the Garrett GT series Turbocharger, that's nor a fair comparison, I totally agree.

You've slapped me with the silk mittens and it's now time to put on the leather gloves........all good fun.

Thanks

Peter

 

Well I can tell you this much...not a whole lot needs to be changed from the Z kit. I think they are looking at a month turnaround tops...and thats from R&D to shipping. Also Brad is having a very reputable person build up a VQ35 (same guy who built the Performance Motorsports motor the Twin turbo Turbonetics drag car) and is going to be looking at putting in either a T66 or 62-1 with that motor and go for the 700-800s. (prolly a T66 maybe even bigger) Of course that will all be on his G35...Can you say fastest street driven G35....

 

Look bro I've been fairly civil with you. You've done more then your fair share of "playful" jaunting right back. I thought you were able to understand Brad's post about the turbo's design. Guess not. I agree when the time comes we'll see what happens. .

 

You got PM...

 

This is all very interesting though to be fair to the guys, it's prudent to keep the discussion relevant to the 350Z (well as much as we can)

At the end of the day it's the entire system that delivers higher power, greater torque and crisp engine response to the consumer and to that end, the manifold boost pressure provides good indication of the mass airflow rate of the GT Series turbocharger to the 350Z engine.

The graph below demonstrates the manifold boost pressure of the production APS Intercooled Single Turbo system in the configuration that will be delivered to APS customers. You can see that the boost curve (turbocharger response) is even better than the pre-production boost curve posted earlier in this thread. Again, this is the result of the entire system engineering, not just the GT series turbocharger that is utilized in the APS system.



When compared to the Turbonetics boost graph from earlier in this thread (shown below) there is clear evidence that the turbocharger boost and mass air flow delivery of the APS intercooled single turbo system is both quicker and stronger.



APS\Garrett GT series turbo

2500 rpm- 4.2 PSI

3000 rpm - 6.4 PSI

3500 rpm - 8.3 PSI

Turbonectics turbocharger

2500 rpm - 1.5 PSI

3000 rpm - 3 PSI

3500 rpm - 5.25 PSI


Interesting conversations have long been a part of our industry Brad and I sincerely hope that this will never change - In fact, I would go so far as to say that we both welcome it There are plenty of areas for agreement/disagreement which is what stimulates healthy competition – and after all, healthy competition results in improved products for all consumers.

Thanks
Peter

 

afaik, the little winkey icon is used to convey a person is joking. had it been a red faced icon, that would be another story.

 

You have also.

Peter

 

The GT35 compressor flow is 65 lbs per minute at 65% efficiency between 14.7 to 22 PSI turbo pressure, hope this helps.

Peter

 

What a/r is used on the turbine?

 

I'm personally not looking for the raddest turbo ever, or huge HP numbers (over 500).

I want the ST kit that's the most reliable, won't blow my stock motor, and makes the least modifications.

Both of these kits fit my specs somewhat, HOWEVER, the reflash the ECU thing means I will never buy the Turbonetics kit. If Turbonetics had put some type of controller in there I would have already bought one being that it was first to market. (Even though from this thread I learned it won't work with my 2005 anyway )

Between the reflash, interesting turbo/piping placement, and no improved oil pan (or crank wire) with the Turbonetics, I am DEFINITELY leaning towards APS.

To me it seems like Turbonetics just took the easy way out. They use great parts, just did it all wrong!

 

Pros and cons of the reflash the ECU?

 

Pros:
It's easy.

Cons:
Not adjustable w/o reflashing.
No tuning (part of the fun!)
Install time 3 or more days waiting for reflash.
If kit is removed must pay to reflash back to stock.
Does not work on 2005.

Any more?

 

It all depends on your goals . . . personally, I don't want another person in charge of blowing up my engine besides me Whether its the reflash or Unichip, both are safe and somewhat fool-proof. How many "techs" say they're "tuners." Show me some certification and that weeds out 3/4s of them.

To me, anything over 500whp is tip toeing the line between streetable & drag worthy. Past that threshold . . . and it gets extremely expensive for us daily drivers. Although it would be fun to scare the hell out my clients

G

 

So every time you make a change to something you have to reflash the ECU? Whats the cost? Has anybody on the forum had a bad experience with the reflash of the ECU?

 

No tuning is a con? Not IMO, if you don't know how to tune, you shouldn't be tuning anything. Uhh, I believe it's 2 days, it only takes them a few minutes to flash it.

 

And as for MIAPLAYA and Peter, just be respectful of each other and try not to get caught up in who has a better kit, try to focus on what kit is good for a certain kind of person/goal.