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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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I have decided to sell my vortech and go TT. I was hell bent on the APS TT but have recently found out that unichip does not have any authorized tuners in FL. I checked on the APS website and the only authorized dealer in FL they have listed does not tune the kit either. WTF is going on? I live in Miami, FL not po dunk, where ever.

Anyway, I just can't see shelling out all that money for an APS TT if I can't re-tune it later when I build my motor. I am now considering going for the Greddy TT. I wanted to know how much boost Greddy TT owners are running on the stock block to kind of get a gauge of where I can push it. Here is what I plan on getting in addition to the Greddy TT if I go this route.

AAM Spec Return Fuel rail system
Walboro 255lph
Profec E-01
Greddy BOV
Greddy EVO II

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Miles on car since turbo install:
How much boost:
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Octane:


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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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http://www.unichip.us/
Search for a dealer. Florida turns up:
Performance Products
800-789-1966
www.performanceproducts.com

I'm in the same situation. Washington state doesn't have any APS dealers, but there *is* one unichip dealer/tuner in Seattle. My plan when I finally go to FI is to buy the APS kit from an authorized dealer and have them put a good basic tune in place for 91 octane (we get 92 here, though) and once the kit is broken in to take it to the unichip dealer in seattle to dyno tune it. Hopefully that'll work.

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http://www.unichip.us/
Search for a dealer. Florida turns up:
Performance Products
800-789-1966
www.performanceproducts.com

I'm in the same situation. Washington state doesn't have any APS dealers, but there *is* one unichip dealer/tuner in Seattle. My plan when I finally go to FI is to buy the APS kit from an authorized dealer and have them put a good basic tune in place for 91 octane (we get 92 here, though) and once the kit is broken in to take it to the unichip dealer in seattle to dyno tune it. Hopefully that'll work.
Lucky you! How far would that drive be? I am looking at about a 27 hour drive to get to Illinois where Tuan from Grd perfomance is located. I would love to have him tune my car. He is the one that tuned a 350z stock w/stock motor to 505rwhp on this board.

www.performanceproducts.com is an internet company that they list for FL, but they are located in Van Nuys, CA. http://www.performanceproducts.com/Contact.aspx

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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Ah, sorry to hear that unichip dealer isn't local to you. Seattle is only about 90 minutes away from me if traffic is good.

Yes, Tuan is on the top of a very short list of installer / tuners in my mind. Hell, maybe I'll just have my car transported to IL for him to work on it. Rates for a non-covered truck are fairly reasonable from what I hear. At least I'd have the peace of mind knowing that it was installed and tuned by one of the best. I'm still about 9 months to a year away from taking the big FI plunge, though. Other more important expenses to take care of before I start playing with massive HP...
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I guess if you were to buy every single mod that you were ever going to put on your car at the same time, then shipped it to Tuan for a one time tune, then that would work. Although, I would be lying to myself if I said I could do that. Just look at my sig. I have had my vortech for only 3 weeks and now I am going TT. I can't be shipping my car 2000+ miles everytime I add a new mod so it can be retuned.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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Nope, you'd want that to be a one time ship, to be sure. Of course, once you're TT is installed, what else is there really left besides flywheel/clutch, cams, internals, and...dunno. Anybody could do exhaust / cats, suspension, wheels, etc.

Is the vortech not making enough power for your needs?
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Miles on car since turbo install:8000+
How much boost:8psi
HP:411.5 (as of last dyno)
TQ:390
Octane:92

I've had my Greddy kit for over a year and I'm very happy with it. I installed the kit myself and have had no real problems with the kit at all.

I feel the APS is a better kit out of the box but, if you plan to mess with it and know what your doing the Greddy is a much better deal.

The one thing you don't have on your list I highly recommend is a ECU reflash. Both AAM and TS have a "Greddy" reflash. This will provide you was several benefits.

One is you'll have a good base map to fine tune from, so you won't have to make large corrections with the emanage. Timing will be addressed. Also the throttle response will increase along with it remaining at 100% open till redline.

Kosmic: where are you located? I'm guessing your talking about Carb Connection?

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Originally Posted by kosmic
Nope, you'd want that to be a one time ship, to be sure. Of course, once you're TT is installed, what else is there really left besides flywheel/clutch, cams, internals, and...dunno. Anybody could do exhaust / cats, suspension, wheels, etc.

Is the vortech not making enough power for your needs?

I am quickly finding out that power is like crack....don't try it once, because you will get hooked. I went with Vortech because I thought I would be happy with 360-400rwhp neighborhood.....not! I am feening for more. I want to dump a load in my pants when I step on the gas. I did want to spend so much money and not get any ROI but F it! Life is short and this makes me so fuggin happy. I feel like a little kid with new toys.
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7 Eleven,

Would I have to have the kit installed and tuned/dyno before sending the ecu. I've heard you need to send the ecu with a/f chart, or can I send the ecu in while they install the kit and then tune after the flash.
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Yep, it was Carb Connection that I found through the unichip website. Do you have any experience with them?

I'm down in Rainier, which is about 20 minutes south of Olympia.

Pretty impressive with the self installation and tuning on your Greddy!

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Miles on car since turbo install:8000+
How much boost:8psi
HP:411.5 (as of last dyno)
TQ:390
Octane:92

I've had my Greddy kit for over a year and I'm very happy with it. I installed the kit myself and have had no real problems with the kit at all.

I feel the APS is a better kit out of the box but, if you plan to mess with it and know what your doing the Greddy is a much better deal.

The one thing you don't have on your list I highly recommend is a ECU reflash. Both AAM and TS have a "Greddy" reflash. This will provide you was several benefits.

One is you'll have a good base map to fine tune from, so you won't have to make large corrections with the emanage. Timing will be addressed. Also the throttle response will increase along with it remaining at 100% open till redline.

Kosmic: where are you located? I'm guessing your talking about Carb Connection?

Gary
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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I didn't have to send in a A/F chart with mine. I called TS and talked to them and explained my setup. My A/F is a touch rich pretty much 11:1 across the board.

The Greddy kit comes with a rich tune for the stock boost out of the box. Once you get the flash you just initialize the emange to set it to zero and use it for fine tuning.

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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Ever come to Atlanta? There is a shop here locally that does the APS kits as well. www.Z1motorsports.com
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Ever come to Atlanta? There is a shop here locally that does the APS kits as well. www.Z1motorsports.com
Can they tune the unichip? I can find any shop down here that can install. I need a tuner.
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Originally Posted by kosmic
Yep, it was Carb Connection that I found through the unichip website. Do you have any experience with them?

I'm down in Rainier, which is about 20 minutes south of Olympia.

Pretty impressive with the self installation and tuning on your Greddy!
I haven't dealt with them but most poeple seem to be happy with their work.

Thanks for the compliment, The tune is very conserative. There is more power to be found with tuning but for a street car over 400 rwhp is mostly for bragging rights. I'm not really into drag racing so I don't see much point in pushing the margin.

I'm making more than 411 rwhp right now due to a dual 3in mandrel exhaust I just installed. I'm going to dyno soon. After this I'm pretty done as far power is concerned. The gain verus cost past this is very low.

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Gary,

Are you saying you put down 411 rwhp on the stock exhaust?

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I haven't dealt with them but most poeple seem to be happy with their work.

Thanks for the compliment, The tune is very conserative. There is more power to be found with tuning but for a street car over 400 rwhp is mostly for bragging rights. I'm not really into drag racing so I don't see much point in pushing the margin.

I'm making more than 411 rwhp right now due to a dual 3in mandrel exhaust I just installed. I'm going to dyno soon. After this I'm pretty done as far power is concerned. The gain verus cost past this is very low.

Gary
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NOT TO BE MR NEGATIVE....BUT the truth...

Miles on car since turbo install: 2000
How much boost: 8.5 @550ft altitude (equiv to 6.5 at sea level)
HP: SAE corrected numbers 465 rwhp (actual: around 380rwhp)
TQ: SAE -45?...check my sig
Octane: 91
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Can they tune the unichip? I can find any shop down here that can install. I need a tuner.
yes they can do unichip, they'll be doing my car actually
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Gary,

Are you saying you put down 411 rwhp on the stock exhaust?
Sorry, for the misunderstanding. I just installed the new exhaust last week. I had a Injen dual straight tip with a set of Labree resonated test pipes before that.
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if you get the APS kit, wherever you buy it from have them load in the 93 octane map (if that octane is available to you) before they ship you the kit and it should have a pretty clean tune out of the box and put down mid 400's... at least i would think.

i just did a piston/rod/camshaft build for a customer and it made 455rwhp at 9psi on the APS 93 octane map and it was pretty clean already. so for those boost levels you might not really require extra tuning... i think it would be conservative enough out of the box and sacraficing just a little power for more safty.

if you go the greddy route just pick up the E01, ill get you special price on the CJM fuel system, add the MAP based tuning and ignition harness to your greddy kit and be in the same power area.

actually if this harness ever shows up this week, I have a greddy kit car that I am tuning for MAP with timing retard and the CJM fuel system, and I will be making the E-Manage tables available to the public so that a return fuel system, timing harness, and e-manage MAP accessories are all the Greddy kit owner needs to make the power they are looking for. my maps will be a conservative starting point for your E-Manage tuning, putting you in the position to only need to tweak to your own target goals.

Oh... and as for the subject of the thread... my greddy car made 467rwhp at 9 psi on stock engine and never blew up.
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Phunk,

This the first I have heard of a "MAP based tuning and ignition harness." Is this also referred to as the Pressure Sensor/Harness? I already have the igintion harness.

Thanks!

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