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Old May 18, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorca@Z1
The dyno numbers on base APS 8.5 PSI were the same with and without WI. Water itself is not a power adder, it is the ability to raise boost and advance timing with WI that will create power gains.

Without raising the boost or advancing the timing, WI essentially just cools the charge air and cylender temps as well as raiseing the octane level.
Correct me if Im wrong, I always thought cooler the air, higher the HP?
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Old May 18, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nis350ztt
Would WI prevent the engine from getting heat soak quicker (therefore it may be good for those who like to drag race and make 4-8 runs)?
Yes, because water has such high specific and latent heat properties, it pulls more heat out of the heads, valves and pistons:



Once the charge enters the cylinder, water in the induction charge following the exit of the super heated exhaust gases (1500+ degrees) begins to immediately cool the surfaces within the cylinder including the cylinder walls, piston head, combustion chamber, valves and spark plug tip. This cooling will have its most dramatic effect on any possible hot spots the coolant system has not adequately addressed. Surface temperatures will be significantly reduced by the water even more so than the extra fuel that was previously being used to cool the cylinder surfaces.
And from personal experience making 4 back to back runs in 90+ heat over this past weekend with no significant change in ET's or oil and coolant temps.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Phatmitzu
Correct me if Im wrong, I always thought cooler the air, higher the HP?
Sort of, but this only really becomes evident when the air is too hot. In our tests, the APS IC was so effective at cooling the air from the turbos at 8.5PSI(110f) that even dropping the air temp below ambient was not enough to see significant horsepower gains.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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i guess i mis-read your questions.... if you are talking abotu the temperature of the engine and its components themselves, then yes, it will be cooler. (Oil, EGT, Coolant)

any good turbo application should have the following gauges

Pre-intercooler temp
Pre throttle body temp
coolant temp
oil temp
exhaust temp (an absolute must)

these are the basic temperature gauges that you really need to keep track of stuff. and if you track the car, transmission fluid temp is good as well.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mr2fasterthanyo
it will not change the temperature of the air coming out of the intercooler (or cool the intercooler), but it will cool the air prior to entering the throttle body.

so the answer is no. it will not help the heat soak of the intercooler. the only reason why you lose power on heat soak is the increase of the charged air temperature. this is what WI will help. so regardless of a heat soaked IC or not, your charged air will be cooler with WI than without.

that make any sense? i could draw a better diagram if i could.....


basically turbo--> IC-->WI--> Throttle body
.........................................^ right there you want the coolest air possible.
Agreed, that's why a two pronged approach can be quite effective.

a) WI under peak TQ, usually in the mid rpm band under max boost.
b) IC spray upon an ellevated heat differential accross the Intercooler.
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