Installed Power Enterprise TT kit
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Installed Power Enterprise TT kit
Got the PE TT kit installed, great stuff. Took my kid out on a back road and maybe I am crazy but the back tires broke loose in fourth gear. The kid said it sounds like a jet plane taking off.
Only *** dyno, but the old formula I used in the army for explosives applies here - as for HP, P=Plenty.
BTW, I thougt it was a stealth install but all the teenagers on the highways and streets know - right away.
I also did NISMO sways, Tonika D-Specs, NISMO clutch, flywheel, pressure plate. It is like a completly new to me car. Still getting used to it.
Went with out the box boost, no controller or reflash. Boosts to about 4.8 or so except when WOT in third or fourth it creeps up to 5.1 or so.
Saving boost upgrades etc for when I get bored. More later as I have time, or anyone has questions.
Only *** dyno, but the old formula I used in the army for explosives applies here - as for HP, P=Plenty.
BTW, I thougt it was a stealth install but all the teenagers on the highways and streets know - right away.
I also did NISMO sways, Tonika D-Specs, NISMO clutch, flywheel, pressure plate. It is like a completly new to me car. Still getting used to it.
Went with out the box boost, no controller or reflash. Boosts to about 4.8 or so except when WOT in third or fourth it creeps up to 5.1 or so.
Saving boost upgrades etc for when I get bored. More later as I have time, or anyone has questions.
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sounds nasty. did you install all that stuff yourself? my turbonetics should be here next week but right now im battling a smoking problem and i dont mean menthols. i get a puff of grey when 1st pull off in 1st gear and shift to 2nd then it goes away until i come to a stop and it comes out a little and blows towards the front of the car. i know these things are supposedly using some oil somewhere but mines no mystery, its burning that sh*t. ive done lots of brainstorming and could it be one of the 2 pcv valves getting stuck or is that out of the question? anybody? thanks.
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i was under the impression that the PE kit requires a reflash as its sole source for the required tuning adjustments. if this is true, and you have skipped this phase, your engine will not last very long at all, if its not already damaged.
this engine can handle a ton of abuse, but it is very fragile to tuning, and you absolutely must address this immediately.
your stock ECU does not know how to handle boost and it is not tuned for the type of load you are giving it, and your right at the limit of the MAF meter.
Your ECU is trying to run your engine with the fuel curve of a NA car... you need the reflash so that it will richen it up and run less ignition timing. Please do this immediatly or else you wont be able to give rides for much longer!
this engine can handle a ton of abuse, but it is very fragile to tuning, and you absolutely must address this immediately.
your stock ECU does not know how to handle boost and it is not tuned for the type of load you are giving it, and your right at the limit of the MAF meter.
Your ECU is trying to run your engine with the fuel curve of a NA car... you need the reflash so that it will richen it up and run less ignition timing. Please do this immediatly or else you wont be able to give rides for much longer!
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The PE kit is designed to be installed at this boost without a reflash. The reflash is to take it to higher boost. A set of actuator springs, boost controller and a reflash are required to take it to higher boost. I asked if I would gain anything by the reflash at all (beside the bs rev limiter / speed limit removal) and I was told no, both directly to PE and through my installer to Technosquare.
I find it hard to believe that PE, Technosquare, etc, would recommend running exactly as I have it installed if I was going to blow the engine immediatly. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but I think kit sales would go to zero. Yes, Charles, you are 100% correct that at higher boost a reflash is required as part of the upgrade. I believe the number is 7.x PSI boost with the upgrade.
I did not install it myself. The guys at 350evo did (Wright Tuning) and they did a great job.
I find it hard to believe that PE, Technosquare, etc, would recommend running exactly as I have it installed if I was going to blow the engine immediatly. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but I think kit sales would go to zero. Yes, Charles, you are 100% correct that at higher boost a reflash is required as part of the upgrade. I believe the number is 7.x PSI boost with the upgrade.
I did not install it myself. The guys at 350evo did (Wright Tuning) and they did a great job.
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ok thats cool! i always thought you wanted the reflash right away.
this means they must have done testing and found that at the boost level your running the MAF still must not be maxing out and that the OEM fuel and ignition curves are conservative enough not to have any problems. This doesnt completely surprise me since it would make sense for Nissan to tune the stock ECU to run very conservative in load ranges that are far higher then the engine would ever hit stock.
Sounds good, and congrats on all the new stuff... the car is in an entirely new class now.
this means they must have done testing and found that at the boost level your running the MAF still must not be maxing out and that the OEM fuel and ignition curves are conservative enough not to have any problems. This doesnt completely surprise me since it would make sense for Nissan to tune the stock ECU to run very conservative in load ranges that are far higher then the engine would ever hit stock.
Sounds good, and congrats on all the new stuff... the car is in an entirely new class now.
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Charles: Thanks for your second post. I saw your first at about 2:30 am or so and I was late for work because I paused to post in reply. Of course, I drove slower than I normally would because you just plain scared me. Haha. By the way, I am from Chicago, born there, lived around Taylor Street (off the Congress Street Expressway), 45rd and Artesian (1 block west of Western Avenue), also lived in Lombard, Itasca, Hoffman Estates, Fox Lake, McHenry, Addison, Schamburg, etc, at various times for various lenghts of time. I still have a brother who lives up there, he lives in McHenry / Fox Lake area, he drives a Boxter. I come up now and again to visit, next time I will drop by your shop (if I am welcome!).
As for the Z with the PE TT, It's running strong, no sign of any problems boost related, have about a thousand miles on it now, city street, bumper to bumper, night, day, highway, interstate. Don't know if the test pipes are staying, they are loud under boost, livable for idle, etc. Some droning at highway speeds, not good for a long trip, say to West Chicago. Think a set of high flow cats are in order, just not sure which ones to get. Any suggestions for a setup like mine, TT, and NISMO cat back? That will be relatively quiet on long trips?
I like the suspension now, when I can notice it, the combination of the D-Spec shocks, NISMO sways, and stock springs might not be for everybody, but I like it, I really originally wanted the NISMO suspension, but the price of a minimum of $1600 (most likely more) for the shocks/springs and sways, combined with a height drop I didn't want, led me to the D-Specs (Under $500 delivered) and the NISMO sways ($370 plus a couple of dollars shipping - part of the total NISMO order see below) gave me the suspension I wanted at < $900.
Very happy I did the NISMO flywheel clutch pressure plate. It handles the power of the TT with no complaint and is, in my opinion, very streetable, not much difference in "feel" or operation to the driver, in this case, me.
I have received what I wanted from the upgrades.
I wanted better handling without lowering the already low car.
I wanted more power in third, fourth, and fifth gear (read acceleration). I was already happy with first and second. I have that now.
And I needed a stronger clutch and pressure plate to handle the power, and the benefits of a lightened flywheel without giving up streetability and durability.
So far, I believe I have achieved those goals, thanks to NISMO, Power Enterprise, the fantastic crew at Wright Tuning (350evo), including BJ, John, and Andy, Cheston Chiu who gave me some information that was very useful and did a little hand holding for me. Also the vendors who gave me the right price at the right time without problem, including United Nissan 6889 Jonesboro Road Morrow, GA 30260 (www.nissanpartsforless.com) who sold me NISMO sways, R-Tune clutch, pressure plate, flywheel all for $1254, got them to 350evo in a couple of days, and charged me less than $50 shipping. Compare that to some vendors you know in the Nissan market. I was really lucky dealing with straight up business people who know their products, and deliver what the customer wants at a realistic price.
Now I have my fingers crossed that I stay this happy and I don't have to post a picture of my Z on a trailer with a trail of oil leading up to it. That picture still makes my stomach churn.
I will post a couple of pictures.
As for the Z with the PE TT, It's running strong, no sign of any problems boost related, have about a thousand miles on it now, city street, bumper to bumper, night, day, highway, interstate. Don't know if the test pipes are staying, they are loud under boost, livable for idle, etc. Some droning at highway speeds, not good for a long trip, say to West Chicago. Think a set of high flow cats are in order, just not sure which ones to get. Any suggestions for a setup like mine, TT, and NISMO cat back? That will be relatively quiet on long trips?
I like the suspension now, when I can notice it, the combination of the D-Spec shocks, NISMO sways, and stock springs might not be for everybody, but I like it, I really originally wanted the NISMO suspension, but the price of a minimum of $1600 (most likely more) for the shocks/springs and sways, combined with a height drop I didn't want, led me to the D-Specs (Under $500 delivered) and the NISMO sways ($370 plus a couple of dollars shipping - part of the total NISMO order see below) gave me the suspension I wanted at < $900.
Very happy I did the NISMO flywheel clutch pressure plate. It handles the power of the TT with no complaint and is, in my opinion, very streetable, not much difference in "feel" or operation to the driver, in this case, me.
I have received what I wanted from the upgrades.
I wanted better handling without lowering the already low car.
I wanted more power in third, fourth, and fifth gear (read acceleration). I was already happy with first and second. I have that now.
And I needed a stronger clutch and pressure plate to handle the power, and the benefits of a lightened flywheel without giving up streetability and durability.
So far, I believe I have achieved those goals, thanks to NISMO, Power Enterprise, the fantastic crew at Wright Tuning (350evo), including BJ, John, and Andy, Cheston Chiu who gave me some information that was very useful and did a little hand holding for me. Also the vendors who gave me the right price at the right time without problem, including United Nissan 6889 Jonesboro Road Morrow, GA 30260 (www.nissanpartsforless.com) who sold me NISMO sways, R-Tune clutch, pressure plate, flywheel all for $1254, got them to 350evo in a couple of days, and charged me less than $50 shipping. Compare that to some vendors you know in the Nissan market. I was really lucky dealing with straight up business people who know their products, and deliver what the customer wants at a realistic price.
Now I have my fingers crossed that I stay this happy and I don't have to post a picture of my Z on a trailer with a trail of oil leading up to it. That picture still makes my stomach churn.
I will post a couple of pictures.
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Nice. I always liked the PE kit. It was an easy install, looked good but had a few missing pieces(engine management,crank/cam sensor shields, and fuel return). All in all, a good kit.
The only problem I ran into was facing the horn backwards for fitment, now the horn sounds muffled.
Your next mod should be water cooling your turbos.Then some shielded crank/cam sensors.Then engine management(Greddy E-manage or HKS f-con v-pro or split second). Then fuel return (AAM).
I wouldn't listen to those companies.It's like McDonalds saying they have healthy food and your chances of getting a heart attack are slim to none.
You'll be upping your boost soon, everybody is doin it.
The only problem I ran into was facing the horn backwards for fitment, now the horn sounds muffled.
Your next mod should be water cooling your turbos.Then some shielded crank/cam sensors.Then engine management(Greddy E-manage or HKS f-con v-pro or split second). Then fuel return (AAM).
I wouldn't listen to those companies.It's like McDonalds saying they have healthy food and your chances of getting a heart attack are slim to none.
You'll be upping your boost soon, everybody is doin it.
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Congrats, welcome to the FI world. No turning back now! I give ya a few months until you will want to turn up the boost.. It's a very safe kit w/ the TS reflash and 8psi.
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Narkotic and Weslutes: I hear both of you. If everything runs smoothly without issue, and I change jobs to something a little closer, I might be tempted to up that boost. What interests me more right now is what weslutes said - water cooling. So weslutes; feel free to pm me with any info you might have on that; I get the impression that you actually might have some experience in this. Thanks for the input to both of you.
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Those nice IHI turbines are capable of water and oil cooling. Unfortuantly PE didn't design the water cooling to adapt to the VQ35. APS did, so maybe you can look at APS's instructions/install manual and fabricate some lines that way. It helps especially after a nice run to cool down the oil after the car has been shut off to prevent coking.
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Good job!I'm installing my pe kit right now. Pe told me that its perfectly safe to run the car on the 4.5lbs of boost without the reflash. I'm gonna do the standalone with mine though. I'm still trying to figure out what boost controller to go with.
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It was suggested to me to get the HKS EVC5, it has a nice display, easy to read/change settings, high low boost settings can be adjusted on the fly, and serves as a boost gauge.
If I up and flash, I will go with this.
I also have ordered the HKS SSQV BOV and flange.
If I up and flash, I will go with this.
I also have ordered the HKS SSQV BOV and flange.
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I have the PE kit and went with the HKS SSQV BOV and the Greddy Profec E-01 boost controller. I would recommend getting a Technosquare reflash even if you're going to stay at stock boost because it takes care of timing retard and will help your car run smoother with the 380cc injectors.
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Originally Posted by zimbo
I have the PE kit and went with the HKS SSQV BOV and the Greddy Profec E-01 boost controller. I would recommend getting a Technosquare reflash even if you're going to stay at stock boost because it takes care of timing retard and will help your car run smoother with the 380cc injectors.
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gringott:As for the HKS EVC5 I gotta see how much this is since if I spend 600 on the flash and another 400-500 for the boost controller I should just get the hks fcon -pro now. I'm a little tight with cash right now since I'm working on two cars
What do you think gringott should I just wait a month and do the standalone?
Gezz someone said before that FI will nickle and dime you to death, now I see how with the two cars I have FI