If you really want the reasons behind the banning, you can PM me.

BTW, I think he/she was just saying that the first kit was GReddy and then came APS that had a complete solution. (GReddy-tuner kit, PE-slightly better tuner kit, a little more complete, APS-complete kit)

 

So what's the purpose of this post? All I see is another beating of the dead horse.

Anyway, first and foremost Peter is a salesman. He will give you the truth, but a sugar candy coated truth, when it comes to APS products.

 

Rehashing of topics that have been resolved is against the rules as well.

I figured i'd give everyone a chance to reply to my replies before I close it though.

 

+1

 

uh, turbonetics is a site sponser. they paid their fees.

 

>>uh, turbonetics is a site sponser. they paid their fees.

They have been posting here a lot longer than that banner has bene at the top of the FI page. My point is that it may not be bad to let all manufacturers post without having to pay any fees (as long as they don't sell their product directly), and let all the vendors who are actually selling their product pay sponsorship fees.

 

but before they paid their fees they never posted price or shipping dates like APS did all the time. In fact I've never seen turbonetics post price. I've only seen them post info about the product. There's a big difference between posting info and selling a product even though you can't buy direct from APS.

 

I still don't see the "add to cart" button on APS's site, can someone tell me where it is please?

I know that they make turbo kits, but I still am not able to buy directly from them - therefore couldn't you say that they're not a vender?

All the sponsers are venders and as such them paying a fee are able to advertise on my350z.com to say "buy from us, click here"

I think it's awesome to have direct contact with Peter being a representative from that company. Of course they're going to promote their company, Peter doesn't come on this site to discuss "how fast have you gone in your Z???!!!" He's going to talk about turbo kits, and specifically how the APS kits work. If that's advertising, then wouldn't it be considered advertising if I was always talking about the specific mods I put on my car? Then all memebers should have to pay $150 a month if they're to even mention a manufacturer and discuss the details in how those parts work and effect performance etc.....

I think peter should never have been banned
IMO

and I think my350z is being a little greedy to ban him over a $150/month fee since we can't even buy from the "APS store"
IMO

 

But can't you see how he benefits from selling his product on here even though you can't buy directly from him? Also their are some sponsers on this site that don't sell APS products so he is directly competing with them. Now if Peter would only come on here and provide info instead promoting and selling his product that would be a different situation. For example SSR Engineering made a thread the other day about a new exhaust. All they did was give info about the product. Several people asked for the price and they still haven't posted it. Also they didn't post any links to their website. Do you understand now? Giving info and selling a product are two different things.

Not true. Turbonetics is a sponser and you can't buy from them either. I don't see a click here on their website.

The only problem with that is that he is was not only discussing but providing links to his website and refering people to his authorized APS vendors, some of which are not sponsers here.

You have no monetary gain by promoting products on your car. Peter will gain by promoting APS.

Every one has a right to their own opinion.

 

how can he possibly even remotely provide info about APS turbo kits without it being considered advertising?

I mean if I were him and I came on and said "our turbo kit includes a new oil pan and stock boost is 8 psi" - is that advertising or stating facts?

Also he does NOT compete with a vender who does not sell APS turbo kits. He is informing the consumer about his turbo kits. Someone like Sharif is in a unique position because he is a vender and he also knows turbo kits thru and thru and is able to counter Peter's posts with info about the Greddy kit.

Of course he's going to tell people where you can buy an APS kit - he's trying to answer people's questions. The consumer has to make up their mind what kit they want and Peter is providing some facts to the best of his ability.

If turbonetrics wants to pay that's their business. That doesn't mean it's right. It seems taboo to ban someone and block any links to a certain website as if it's forbidden. Some of us here want to know what Peter has to say and see what he's talking about. We all know Greddy's and Turbonetic's website too if we want info on those products.

I know him providing links to the APS site could maybe be seen as advertising, but there was only info on the website.

I guess I just think the whole thing is a shame

At least I can go to other forums and see what peter has to say

 

I'm neither here nor there on this issue but you guys mean to tell me if Jim Wolf himself joins this site to offer support but does not pay to be a sponsor you're going to ban him too?

 

yeah, i'd have thought that'd be considered one of the draws to online car forums in general - the fact that there's free tech support provided by whoever wants to offer it

anyway, yeah some might call what he did advertising, I call it tech support and a "straight from the horses mouth info"

 

No love loss here. Peter’s business ethics are atrocious.

 

The thing that bothers me about this, is the limited information we are "allowed" to see in regards to APS. Sure I can go to the "other" site and get all the info I need but why should I have to resort to that? After all we are all here for that same purpose, no?....to find information and share our experiences with other 350Z owners and non-owners. Instead, because a manufacturer did not pay sponsor fees we are no longer allowed to view the information only they can provide. After all, who would know the APS kit better than APS?

Sure eventually the $$$ will turnaround to APS but they do not sell directly to the consumer. So in my understanding, because they tell you how much it costs and where you can get it they are now a vendor that MUST pay the monthly fee or else they get banned??? You can get this same info from their web site!!!

Although I will agree that they don't have the greatest business practices, and many times it seems like they are talking down to individuals, they still offer the best, out of the box, TT kit for our 350Z, and yet, I can only get "limited" information here on my350z.

I might have this all wrong but that's what I've gathered thus far.

 

Rewind...

All these lame *** politics..

What happened to the internet?

 

Intrnet used to be "the information highway"

Now it's a "information toll road"

J/K Please don't ban me, I love this site.

 

 

but turbonetics is a paid advertiser...

 

I think it's the lack of dimplomacy that got them banned and nothing else. yes they are a manufacturer, and yes they derive a huge benefit from posting at will about their product...regardless if they sell it directly or not.

If they were able to limit the posts to technical discussions, rather that out and out product pushing, I think it would have been a different story, but that is my own personal view.

There are lots of vendors on here, or people who work for vendors and or manufacturers who are not, or are no longer paid sponsors (myself included). I have found the mods very very easy to work with, if you respect the boundries and follow the rules.

My own personal view on the sponsorship thing stems from a simple business analysis - what this site charges to be a vendor, relative to what other sites (that are more active and have greater membership levels) is about 2 x what it should be; simply too expensive - but that is a topic for another thread

adam

 

sorry about posting this...i replied before reading everyone else who said the same thing