Originally Posted by Z1 Performance

but turbonetics is a paid advertiser...

Originally Posted by sentry65

I still don't see the "add to cart" button on APS's site, can someone tell me where it is please?

I know that they make turbo kits, but I still am not able to buy directly from them - therefore couldn't you say that they're not a vender?

All the sponsers are venders and as such them paying a fee are able to advertise on my350z.com to say "buy from us, click here"

Wrong, not all sponsors on here are vendors. However, this does not matter, it applies to all companies that have competing products.

I think it's awesome to have direct contact with Peter being a representative from that company. Of course they're going to promote their company, Peter doesn't come on this site to discuss "how fast have you gone in your Z???!!!" He's going to talk about turbo kits, and specifically how the APS kits work. If that's advertising, then wouldn't it be considered advertising if I was always talking about the specific mods I put on my car? Then all memebers should have to pay $150 a month if they're to even mention a manufacturer and discuss the details in how those parts work and effect performance etc.....

I think peter should never have been banned
IMO

and I think my350z is being a little greedy to ban him over a $150/month fee since we can't even buy from the "APS store"
IMO

Originally Posted by tonio

I'm neither here nor there on this issue but you guys mean to tell me if Jim Wolf himself joins this site to offer support but does not pay to be a sponsor you're going to ban him too?

Originally Posted by xxlbeerZ

They posted directly and indirectly about their products for over a year then paid the fee right after APS was banned.

Originally Posted by xxlbeerZ

They posted directly and indirectly about their products for over a year then paid the fee right after APS was banned.

Originally Posted by dch760

The thing that bothers me about this, is the limited information we are "allowed" to see in regards to APS. Sure I can go to the "other" site and get all the info I need but why should I have to resort to that? After all we are all here for that same purpose, no?....to find information and share our experiences with other 350Z owners and non-owners. Instead, because a manufacturer did not pay sponsor fees we are no longer allowed to view the information only they can provide. After all, who would know the APS kit better than APS?

Sure eventually the $$$ will turnaround to APS but they do not sell directly to the consumer. So in my understanding, because they tell you how much it costs and where you can get it they are now a vendor that MUST pay the monthly fee or else they get banned??? You can get this same info from their web site!!!

Although I will agree that they don't have the greatest business practices, and many times it seems like they are talking down to individuals, they still offer the best, out of the box, TT kit for our 350Z, and yet, I can only get "limited" information here on my350z.

I might have this all wrong but that's what I've gathered thus far.

Originally Posted by ccartwright

Hypothetical: would Nissan be banned if they came on here, without paying, and promoted Z's and posted pricing and performance specs of the Z in the Racing forum, where lots of owners of non-Z's go to talk about cars in general? True, this is a Nissan-based site, but they're a manufacturer promoting their product without paying for sponsorship.....

Originally Posted by dch760

"Everything is listed on the APS website. If you need that info, you can always use google and find their website. Shouldn't be too hard."

So you're telling me that if I want to find information on a turbo for my 350z I can't come here?? or as long as it's APS not to come here??

Just google search them...hmmm that's very nice to know and I think I might just do that from now on. No need to come to a 350Z forum to look for information for 350Z performance parts, well at least in your eyes.

Come to think of it why would I want to continue to post here with individuals like yourself as making the decisions.

Originally Posted by ccartwright

I just wish APS would've paid, because everytime I have a direct question to Peter, I have to PM him on the other board, even though I'm on this board 90% of the time.

Originally Posted by nis350ztt

What? Can you find the post that Turbonetics started with info about their kit, where to buy it, who has it in stock, MSRP, etc.?

I sure can't, because they never posted a new thread. They kept everything in the thread miaplaya started and never posted where you could buy it.

Originally Posted by xxlbeerZ

They used to have two giant threads well before MIAPLAYA (one is where they recruited him), they don't show up in search anymore. I got the retail price, install instructions, date available, etc. all from user Turbonetics.

Originally Posted by nis350ztt

Originally Posted by xxlbeerZ

No, they were very large threads, one where it was first introduced, and one where it was nearing production. I remember specifically getting the price and prelim install instructions from the thread posted by user Turbonetics.