i'm about to order my turbonetics single and have a quick question. how many people have the kit on a 2005 car, and what did they do for tuning. turbonetics says they do not have the software ready yet, but technosquare does. to skip the flash completely at this point as i would have to pay for it seperately i guess, i could just use a piggy back emanage like the greddy kit does, and take it to my tuner to get tuned.

what i really want to go with the kit is an aem standalone. i called them, and they said they are close to releasing it, but have no formal date they could tell me. anyone have any clues to when that is coming out?

the car has already gone through about 50-60 rear tires this year drifting, so i'm going to beat this car quite hard. i'm focusing on cooling mods as well, and as soon as the motor pops and the aem is out, putting an SGP block in it, since i'm just a few hours away from there.

anyone have any hints for me? oh, i think i'm going to go with the turbonetics single because its quite a bit lighter than most of the other kits, and the turbonetics kit doesn't mount low like the aps single. anything that low i'm going to shove a cone into, so its probably not a good idea. plus, sometimes there is standing water on the course, and a ton of cold water hitting the turbo might not be good for business.

oh, who makes the best aftermarket radiator for the z? i searched for this one and couldn't find anything.

thanks.

 

well as far the engine managment it seems that money is not a prob, so why not go with the motec stand alone since already released, but i would say try the emanage ultimite since its plugs into your stock ecu and get to keep some of the good stuff (cruise contol, vdc, traction control, etc..) and also you can add and pull timing so it pretty much does it all (but some people are having issues so hopefully sharif from forged internals can shed some light on this or you can check out this thread https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/130015-emanage-ulimate-almost-here-and-much-improved.html.)

as far as the radiator i've heard good things on the koyo but you might run into fitment issues running it with the turbo but im not to sure in that one.

 

eManage + TechnoSquare reflash should work well. TS can eliminate the advanced timing map for you, raise rev limit and eliminate the speed limit.

 

screw aem.. hks fcon all the way

 

Well congrats, I would say get the Tuner Version of the Turbonetics Single Turbo kit then pick up the Walboro Fuel pump, injectors (like 440 or 550cc), and the UTEC for the 350Z elsewhere. To me that would be a great set-up along with ease, the plug and play of the UTEC. And since you live so close to SGP, should be no problem for them to help you out with this.

I am about to get the AAM Fuel Return Kit, and 440cc injectors... Along with a couple of other things. And the Emanage Ultimate with the needed harnesses.

But looking back I should have waited and got the Tuner version then get the other stuff that I wanted.

This is the path I am taking, along with 1000 RPM idle


Sure if you got someone close to you can is allowed to tune it.

 

motec, utec, emanage lol. i searched around a little on the motec, but didn't find much around here on it. how much is it, where do i find it, how much wiring is there, is there a prewired one, ect.

i don't have vdc, traction control, ect. in my previous FI projects i finally went standalone with a power fc, and i'm a firm believer that the engine management and tuning is the most important part of the entire package.

is the tuner package of the turbonetics kit cheaper? i like the idea of the reflash with a piggy back to smooth it out if everything runs super smoothly, however...... then i can wait for the aem standalone and install that when it comes out.

WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE SETUP FOR MANAGEMENT AT THE MOMENT?

 

Yes the Tuner Version is cheaper since you are not paying for the fuel pump, 380cc injectors and ECU flash program.

Also keep in mind stuff like the UTEC, Emanage Ultimate, are really new so I don't see a clear cut answer for this.

 

where is the best place to get the tuner version? and the emanage and utec are pretty even?

 

The tuner version can be ordered from any vendor and is cheaper then the standard kit. it does not include injectors a fuel pump or the reflash as stated so be prepared to get your own. I would say if you plan to drift and run alot of power maybe a set of 550cc injectors with the TS reflash to remove the advanced timing map, rev limiter, and speed limiter. Then go with the HKS Fcon V pro. it is the only current standalone engine management system but gives you complete control over the motor. With the addition of the AF/ Knock amp it will do afr target tuning and automatically adjust the afr and tune to match the target you enter. Good for hot track days. So far it has been flawless on phunks car even running 1000 cc injectors daily. Then get yourself a Walbro 255 and phunks fuel return system and bump the boost to 12-14 PSI which should net you around 440-460 to the wheels if properly tuned. SGP is also a VERY good Fcon tuner and has done quite a few on Zs so far. Thats what I would do if I was in your position.

 

i'm suddenly leaning towards the greddy twin kit at the moment. i'm impulsive, what can i say. i didn't know i could get my hands on it for so cheaply. i don't like how much heavier it is, and there is no good way to remove a substantial amount of weight from the front of the car to compensate, but at least most of the weight is low, and not too close to the front of the car.

plus, the greddy seems the most complete for me. i like turbos as well, since i plan to get it dynoed tuned no matter what i go with.

 

Sir:
Based on your original post.. MIYAPLAYER gave you his best advice. ( See Above )
In your last post you changed your mind and were opting for the Greddy kit.
Let me say it is not complete as shipped. The staff at Greedy US are not interested in Support. This "Lack of Support" has opened up a niche for other vendor's and Third Party Tuner's. Localy in SoCal we have had experience with four or five Greedy "Tuner Kit's" and this kit is fine if you can find a $2000 to $3000 used kit. Then rebuild the turbo's before installation. The rub comes with the installation. Documentation is very poor. Support is worse. The Mitsu Turbo's are not Ball Bearing, and are not water-cooled. The plumbing is a real issue and installation with the engine in the car requires you cut up your Wrenches to install Turbo and Tial Waste-gates. The manafold stud's are not correct and in retro-spec our project would have been further along if we would have skipped the Greddy Kit and waited for one of the modern kit's. I understand you are dedicating your car for Drifting events and probably trailer the car to these events. You have many options.

Those other add-on's that MIYAPLAYER suggested would still apply - if you choose the Greedy Tuner Kit. But in my opinion an ST kit on the VQ35 is equal to an RB25 Single Turbo.. And you have two to choose from. Heh, Heh..

You only have so much traction or lack of it in Drifting, our young (Under 21) drivers on the west coast are close to getting thier D1 Licence's with N/A cars.. And mass quantities of 17" "throw away Tires".

Miya - Here is the one - I owed you..... -


Cheers Amy -

 

Excellent post Amy...

 

i'm putting this car together because i already have an rb25 hks 2835 pro s turbo that is a bit laggy for drifting. i have lots of new parts i'm about to put on the car to try and take care of this, and the car was put into a wall at formula d houston.... its getting put back together at the frame shop soon, but i've been waiting for body parts from japan for quite awhile, and i need a replacement car. i've been drifting the z for awhile now, and have had some success at it, but the hp is starting to become a limiting factor. the z is GREAT for drifting pretty much stock, but you start to get overlooked in drifting as it has to be a smoke show here. plus a car with a bit more power is flexible, you can adjust your line more and get around the track easier with more angle.

so i should stay away from the greddy kit i guess? that was a short lived idea. i suppose back to the turbonetics kit lol.

so, big injectors, turbonetics tuner kit, f con, technosquare ecu reflash....

i looked at the f con on the hks website and it has a resolution of 32x32. doesn't that seem a bit low? also, from your response you say get the ecu reflashed, and then install the f con, but the website says the f con is a standalone. is it really a piggy back?

lets get a few more responses so i can make an educated decision please! i love good forums. takes the thinking out of it for me : )

 

I can clarify a bit. The HKS Fcon is possibly the best tuning solution out right now. Most other management systems uses a 16x16 map or worse in tuning. A 32x32 map is a damn nice feature. Furthermore if you do decide to use the HKS Fcon you would not need to reflash the ECU as it would essentially be out of the equation. If i was you this is the setup I would run:

Turbonetics Tuner version Single Turbo Kit: ~3800-4000 from a vendor
550 cc injectors: Cost depends on injector
Walbro 255 fuel pump: $100
CJM Motorsports fuel return system: $1300 I believe
Custom or other oil cooler: Cost depends on unit just dont use Stillen's
HKS Fcon V Pro: $1500-1900 depending on cost of harnesses sensors etc
HKS AF/Knock amp for target AFR tuning: $800
Your choice of boost controller with boost set to 12-14 PSI: Cost depends on unit. My preference is the HKS EVC5 $550
Custom or other 3.5" y pipe back exhaust: Could be anything cost wise
Blitz or PE radiator: $500 (The Koyo doesn't fit well with ay F/I kit)
Nismo or Cusco LSD: ~$850-1000
Power output ~440-460 with proper tuning. And bullet proof for drift days.

 

The FCON is the nicest to tune standalone I have used. I havent played with TOO many... but I have played with TEC II, Motec, and AEM EMS... and all the piggybacks. The FCON software blows them all away IMHO. Its really unfortunate that they wont let everyone get their hands on it.

MIAPLAYA: Price of the fuel system was 1275, when we reopen in a couple weeks it will be a bit cheaper.

aaronlosey: what miaplaya has recommended is a very good setup... but honestly it might be a little more power then you even need?? maybe just try the full turbonetics kit and cooling system and suspension upgrades... because i was thinking you said the car is already really good and you just need a little more power, perhaps you would get enough power from the kit alone... that is if you only drift it... I would think that over 400 might make it a little too powerful? But i dont know, i have never drifted my Z... well not in a competition anyway

 

does anyone know if a bigger turbo can replace the one that comes with it now...if so what do yall think is the biggest that could fit in the tight spot?

 

I have heard that the T-61 or T-66 are possible replacements.

 

The 62-1 turbo will fit just fine. Turbonetics is currently working on putting a T61 and T66 compressor wheel into the 62-1 housing. So those upgrades should be available shortly.... Bascially from what Brad has told me if you plan to run less then 15 PSI the 6X series is where you want to be but if you want to make BIG boost as in over 15 PSI swap in one of the T series wheels. From what he was saying the T series wheels are more efficeint at greater then 15 PSI boost pressure.

Edit: I should say that I am not nor is he saying the 6X series can't run 15 PSI. Just that if you have a built motor and are looking for the 650+ range on more then 15 PSI the T series wheel may do a bit better in that area.

 

Sorry about that phunk. I knew it was around $1300....Its what I'm gonna be running next spring too!!!

 

12-14 psi is safe on the stock vq? i thought that seems high. i was just planning on runing around 380whp so far, as my last rb25 drift car was right around there on low boost. with the improved displacement and off boost power, i think 380whp out of the vq will be worlds better. who is a trusted vendor i could get the tuner kit from for that price, with a web address link if you don't mind, along with the fuel return system. does the fuel return system require running lots of lines? are the lines pre made or am i going to sit there with a little tiny bender and flare tool lol.

if the kit is safe up to mid 400whp, i'll run the damn thing there. the hp has a nice linear pedal with which i can deliver it with, so as long as the hp is reliable, you can never have too much. ( too much is when the hp level requires too many comprimises such as weight, laggy spool, shitty throttle response, breaking parts, ect )


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oh, and i already have the nismo diff, that was the very first mod to the car. other than that, i kept the car stock until recently when i got tierods. i only purchased the 350 because my drift car for last season was a piece of junk super charged m3 that fell apart all the time. it held back the learning process terribly and was a huge waste of time.