is it worth just doing bottom end?
[QUOTE=Chebosto]update...
i'm at a loss. i dont know which clutch to get... im headed toward JWTflywheel and clutch. but i need something i can abuse. aka. clutch kick... so any suggestions would be ok.. NO TILTON. no way.
QUOTE]
Since it sound you like want to drift the car, rather than drag race, you can probably do something like a Clutch Master Stage 3 and a Heavy Duty Pressure plate. The ATS Carbon triples or the twin with 1350kg pressure plate is also an a good option. The carbons tend to last longer than traditional clutches. The main benifit of the carbon twins/triples, is the ability to "slip" the clutch, but still hold massive power. Since you might not do much slipping....but more popping of the clutch, you could try a different option.
i'm at a loss. i dont know which clutch to get... im headed toward JWTflywheel and clutch. but i need something i can abuse. aka. clutch kick... so any suggestions would be ok.. NO TILTON. no way.
QUOTE]
Since it sound you like want to drift the car, rather than drag race, you can probably do something like a Clutch Master Stage 3 and a Heavy Duty Pressure plate. The ATS Carbon triples or the twin with 1350kg pressure plate is also an a good option. The carbons tend to last longer than traditional clutches. The main benifit of the carbon twins/triples, is the ability to "slip" the clutch, but still hold massive power. Since you might not do much slipping....but more popping of the clutch, you could try a different option.
Ches: You and Gurgen are the men. I swear I saw a water hose tee fitting somewhere in my browsing that is suitable for this purpose - I think it had something to do with an aftermarket expansion tank. I will check when I have time. Of course, you should be the pioneer, and once you have worked out the bugs, inform me. Love the HKS BOV by the way. Thanks for the reccomends. Of course, it would be nice if we could get this information from PE. I plan on calling them Monday, I will ask about the fittings sizes etc. A link on thier web page leads to a document talking up the kit, and it says in that document that water cooling is an option. So they should cough up the info if nothing else. Thanks again and thanks to Gurgen.
I just don't see how we can relocate the air filters to the fenderwells - I just don't have room! I can't even find a good place for an oil cooler - thinking of getting a Laminova cooler and mount above and to the rear of the radiator - after the radiator upgrade. Or a bigger bumper to fit more stuff.
I just don't see how we can relocate the air filters to the fenderwells - I just don't have room! I can't even find a good place for an oil cooler - thinking of getting a Laminova cooler and mount above and to the rear of the radiator - after the radiator upgrade. Or a bigger bumper to fit more stuff.
The Carillo rods should be fine for the power you are talking about. You'll remember this feeling of wanting more power after you've gotten used to 500hp, then you may regret going with the weaker rods.
I had a mixup a while ago with these rods. I ordered Pauter, when the box came it had Carillo. WTF? I called & *****ed. Finally got my money back after 2 months.
I ended up getting Crower rods.
I'm sure 500-600hp will be more than enough but you never know.
I started my build over three months ago with intentions to reach a power level of 500hp, tops. Now after all is said & done, it'll be good for 600-900hp. JWT S1,P&P,CP pistons w/pro pins & thermal barrier coating,moly coated skirts,Crower,Zex,APS TT,Koyo race,ARP, the whole shabang. All on an auto.
My buddy bought a SGP motor & is having his PE TT maxed out. XS is doing the install. So it looks like we have a few PE pioneers.
Good luck!
Wes
I had a mixup a while ago with these rods. I ordered Pauter, when the box came it had Carillo. WTF? I called & *****ed. Finally got my money back after 2 months.
I ended up getting Crower rods.
I'm sure 500-600hp will be more than enough but you never know.
I started my build over three months ago with intentions to reach a power level of 500hp, tops. Now after all is said & done, it'll be good for 600-900hp. JWT S1,P&P,CP pistons w/pro pins & thermal barrier coating,moly coated skirts,Crower,Zex,APS TT,Koyo race,ARP, the whole shabang. All on an auto.
My buddy bought a SGP motor & is having his PE TT maxed out. XS is doing the install. So it looks like we have a few PE pioneers.
Good luck!
Wes
Last edited by weslutes; Sep 24, 2005 at 04:02 PM.
[QUOTE=gringott] You again are going where no PE has gone before in the US as far as I know - keep up informed.QUOTE]
Right now I am running 5psi on the PE tt kit with built motor (carillo rods, je pistons, nisom r tuned cams, and 650cc injectors) and went to the dyno today and put down 423whp and 360wtq. I have a bunch of new parts comin in in the next week or so (emanage ultimate, ecu reflash is getting done, and a couple other things). when all of this gets installed i plan on turning the boost up to around 16 to 18 maybe. Will post the next dyno when it happens (cant wait, should get some good numbers hopefully
). If you have any questions with your build let me know.
Right now I am running 5psi on the PE tt kit with built motor (carillo rods, je pistons, nisom r tuned cams, and 650cc injectors) and went to the dyno today and put down 423whp and 360wtq. I have a bunch of new parts comin in in the next week or so (emanage ultimate, ecu reflash is getting done, and a couple other things). when all of this gets installed i plan on turning the boost up to around 16 to 18 maybe. Will post the next dyno when it happens (cant wait, should get some good numbers hopefully
). If you have any questions with your build let me know.
Ches. another easy option, is to download the diagrams for the APS TT kit, where it speaks to the turbocharger coolant lines. It will clearly describe the routing, and sizes of fitting needed.
Originally Posted by weslutes
The Carillo rods should be fine for the power you are talking about. You'll remember this feeling of wanting more power after you've gotten used to 500hp, then you may regret going with the weaker rods.
I had a mixup a while ago with these rods. I ordered Pauter, when the box came it had Carillo. WTF? I called & *****ed. Finally got my money back after 2 months.
I had a mixup a while ago with these rods. I ordered Pauter, when the box came it had Carillo. WTF? I called & *****ed. Finally got my money back after 2 months.


Originally Posted by Chebosto
Tadashi tuned Vakamon (Monkey's) G35 coupe turbo with the stock ECU and no stand alones... so he was able to get 500+ rwhp reliable so i'm sold on this way for my engine management.. he got 500+ on larger Garrett turbos, 8.xx:1 compression and huge injectors... so i'll try to hit the same numbers on my setup. it will be interesting.... good thing theres a few spare engine parts lying around..
He currently has Pauter rods, CP pistons, Greddy TT, custom intake mainfold, etc, etc. They got high 500RWHP numbers (can't remember exactly) on pump gas, and some sick #'s on race gas!! That was just with Tadashi tuning his car with the stock ecu reflash. He does have an emanage, but I don't believe it was used. Farid is having another motor built right now, using Carrillo parts, etc...
Tadashi is a great tuner from what I've seen, ...you should have no problems!
Originally Posted by NoLimit
Just to clarify for people, it depends on Which Carillo rods you get to determine the 'max' HP you'd want to run. Quoted from Carrillo, "We make the strongest H-Beam connecting rod for high performance applications on the market. The Carrillo Pro-A rod is designed for less demanding and more economically oriented applications." They have been known for outstanding parts for a long time, ... and I "hear" they are grinding some cams now-a-days. 
Tadashi is a great tuner from what I've seen, ...you should have no problems!

Tadashi is a great tuner from what I've seen, ...you should have no problems!

For high WHP options I would choose Pauter or Carillo H Beams. Forged hardware is VERY much a personal opinion of the engine builder and end-user. The most important thing is a properly assembled engine, and excellent tuning.
Gang - As those who've subscribed to this thread have read, I've been in contact with JWT regarding cams specific for F/I. Here's their latest & greatest!!
Since this email I've been to the JWT site but don't see any S2 cams available ( maybe they haven't updated their site yet? )
Mr. Pila - I'm interested in your thoughts regarding F/I specific cams ( & their design ) for the VQ35 as I have a Vortech on my 2003 G35 & am planning on building a forged internal-equipped shortblock. I know that your S1 cams are quite good for F/I but can you give me a timeframe for the release of any new F/I specific cams so that I may better plan my engine build? Thank you & good luck with the cam R&D!
Gene Reed
Hi Gene,
The JWT S1 cams are optimum on supercharged vehicles.
We do have our JWT S2 cams available with less duration which is more suitable for turbocharged vehicles that have higher exhaust back pressure than supercharged vehicles.
Again, we recommend the JWT S1 cams on supercharged applications.
Best regards,
Ben Pila (Technical and Sales Support)
Jim Wolf Technology, Inc.
212 Millar Ave
El Cajon, CA 92020-4219
(619) 442-0680 Mon-Fri 8am-5pm PST
(619) 579-8160 24 hour fax
Since this email I've been to the JWT site but don't see any S2 cams available ( maybe they haven't updated their site yet? )
Mr. Pila - I'm interested in your thoughts regarding F/I specific cams ( & their design ) for the VQ35 as I have a Vortech on my 2003 G35 & am planning on building a forged internal-equipped shortblock. I know that your S1 cams are quite good for F/I but can you give me a timeframe for the release of any new F/I specific cams so that I may better plan my engine build? Thank you & good luck with the cam R&D!
Gene Reed
Hi Gene,
The JWT S1 cams are optimum on supercharged vehicles.
We do have our JWT S2 cams available with less duration which is more suitable for turbocharged vehicles that have higher exhaust back pressure than supercharged vehicles.
Again, we recommend the JWT S1 cams on supercharged applications.
Best regards,
Ben Pila (Technical and Sales Support)
Jim Wolf Technology, Inc.
212 Millar Ave
El Cajon, CA 92020-4219
(619) 442-0680 Mon-Fri 8am-5pm PST
(619) 579-8160 24 hour fax
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