Miaplaya.....the water arguement is lame....the only way you can get water on the APS turbo is if you drive the car in to a lake up to the floorboards/above the front airdam and let it SIT....I will sit for some other arguement but this one.....the water argement is over the top.

I have checked the position of the turbo at install and during my oil changes....it is well protected.

 

OK one last off topic on the water, only because to make simplistic statements using physical properties is not correct, puddle is one thing, that just may splash some water on the turbo if it gets past the splash guard and to think that a little water splashed onthe turbo will cause cracks is not correct, it would have to be enough water to result in a sudden reduction of temparture of the metal for the physical properties of the metal to be affected, splashed water will simply evaporate if the turbo is hot enough, the only way the rubo would be affected is if the car is driven into a deep section of water where the turbo will be submerged in water and if you are doing that then you have more problems, I am not saying to avoid puddles

JoneZZZ voice of reason beat me to it.

 

Great, now I'm second-guessing my Vortech choice. Thanks man.

 

LOL...sorry...

 

Whatever you say bro..like I said before if you are comfortable with your turbo being down there more power to you but I wouldn't be...

 

And for those that can see the design intent/rationale for the APS turbo being in its existing location I am here to say that it is well protected.... water/debris is a non issue........

 

No it is not about being comfortable bro but about making accurate statements, people come on these boards for information not misinformation. If a statement is not factual then say you are just guessing as to what might happen but really have no clue.

 

I under stand why they put it there and to be honest I don't see how its helping the performance over the other designs very much. So far just about every turbo kit hits full boost between 3200-3800 and both single turbos make about the same amount of power when dyno tuned with the Turbonetics turbo making slightly more out of box. Futhermore the other BIG POINT in their design has been heat reduction which has ALSO been a non-factor to date. Is the ambient temp higher, yeah sure. Has anyone had any heat related issues from having the turbo where Turbonetics places it? Um nope. Not one. And it seems that a whole lot of 4 cylinder cars and that other popular RWD Big turbo cars.. um whats its callled again...oh yeah the Supra have MASSIVE turbos under the hood as close if not closer to the motor then the Z kit does and they have no issues either. And neither do Skylines, Silvias, etc, etc. So to sum it up they moved the turbo under the car to combat "heat" and spool up issues and the net effect has been that the APS kit performs just the same as the other Single Turbo kit albeit with slightly less hp tuned or un-tuned. Now just knowing that I don't see any need to risk putting my turbo under the car

 

How exactly is my statement not factual. I have seen the APS turbo placement both in person and via their webpage and I know how low it is. I know what the debris shield looks like and I also know some people who couldn't even get their debris shield to fit. The fact remains that there is a chance a customer is going to HAVE to go throw a pretty deep puddle in Miami. I know cause I have driven through them. And I know that small drops of water are just going to evaporate off. But dunking the lower portion of the turbine housing IS going to weaken the integrity of that housing. Is it going to fail the first time? Probably not...but it IS going to reduce the life of the turbine housing as cracks begin to occur. And if you are arguing that there are no puddles in Florida that could submerge the lower portion of that turbine housing in water without driving into a lake I'll be happy to have my brother send me some pics of the puddle he hit Friday night.

Edit: On a sidenote what you would or would not drive your car through puddle or otherwise is not the same as what your customer may drive his car through. I would be more concerned and assume he doesn't know or doesn't care because he assumes he is safe. In this particular instance that would not be the case.

 

You just don't let go do you.....the point is that it is up to the end user to understand and decide which design he/she likes, without unsubstantiated bashing.....there is no risk to a well placed and well protected lowerbody turbo location.

Bottom line....the originator of this thread wanted to know the options for his 5AT>>>there are a number of good choices today....let him decide.

 

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I am letting him decide...am I holding a virtual gun to his head by discussing the differences in kit design? Is me giving him my opinion, which he asked for BTW, going to FORCE him to choose the Turbonetics kit? No. I posted my opinion. Westpak disagreed and we discussed it. I didn't bash the kit. I didn't say it was crap, I didn't say it didn't perform. Hell I even said it was a quality kit..here let me refresh your memory And I also stated that they both perform well..So yes it is up to him. He asked my opinion I gave it to him. I discuessed a diffrerence in opinion with westpak and now you. I'm pretty sure thats what the forum is all about.

 

........I'll say it again.

 

I give up, the narrow mindedness and single focus mentality of some people amazes me, yes Turbonetics is the best and every other manufacturer should just stop making kits they have the tune and turbo location down perfect. I am sorry lexus33 for going on a tangent here hopefully you can get some good info in this.

 

Now Now guys, listen I don't have a turbo kit yet (obviously) but I have been in FLA for 5 years now and have been stuck in some pretty deep *** water that I do have to agree with MIAPLAYA on. They are just flat out unavoidable. Now I have no idea if this is going to play a role with the Turbo BUT he did bring up a good point so something to consider. This did help make my decision with my intake choice. The reason I went with the Pop Charger instead of a low mount intake was this reason alone. I felt it was safer having it in my hood and up in the engine vs. down low. Does it make a difference, who knows but again something to think about...I also like the LOOK and comfort of the Turbos in the engine bay big time just like my intake and it make me feel safer, but I am a NOOB with FI so who knows.

Also for me I would choose either kit and be happy but if I had a GREAT APS installer vs an OK average TN installer that would make a HUGE dif too. All depends where people live b/c as I am seeing from all this research of mine, a kit is a kit is a kit just about. THE INSTALLER AND SHOP HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Westpak, I would trust you guys and Japtrix with my car ANYDAY! And if I had issues you are 5 minutes away, lol.

Let's please keep this thread going with good banter on the best stories of others going SC or Turbo with their Auto's. We are getting some good feedback and seeing some good 5AT setups. This is helping. Also good to see what set ups are safe and what other additions the Auto's need vs. the manual like different ECU flashes, Valve Body. Tranny cooler, ect...

So far...5AT's with Turbo or SC's

1. Jonezzz / APS ST
2. Roncfpz / Greddy TT
3. GMADD / Greddy TT
4. Baileyrx / ATI Procharger

Keep it going...

 

I'm running it @ 8 psi, I'm using TS reflash for timing, rev limit raised at 7100 and using a tranny oil cooler as well.

It's running a bit rich but my car is in the garage for a custom dual HKS 3'' exhaust should lean it out a little.

 

excellent post....

there was another thread similar to this one, somewhere else here or on g35driver I forget which


So far...5AT's with Turbo or SC's
1. Jonezzz / APS ST
2. Roncfpz / Greddy TT
3. GMADD / Greddy TT
4. Baileyrx / ATI Procharger

Keep it going...

 

Here's an update after a "spirited" day of driving.

lexus33...you can drive in auto mode during normal drives, you do not have to be in manual. When I'm in auto mode in 1st or 2nd gear and then punch it to WOT I hit the rev limiter at times. Again, this drives very normal unless you really get on it and then it comes on fast. I need to practice my timing on shifts in manual mode also since the rpms climb very quickly.

My plans are to get a tranny cooler next year and upgrade the valve body for quicker shifts but I'm not sure it will completely solve the issue of hitting the limiter at times.

I'm about 200 miles from Miami. I actually may be down there in early December and may also go to HIN that month.

Thanks,
Ron

 

what are you MPG for you people who turbo'd or SC'd your autos?

when you race, or drive roughly, do you use the auto or manual mode?

and what are your 1/4 times? just curious

 

You can add the Turbonetics test car to that list.
04 350Z 5AT with Turbonetics kit..

On another note bumping the revlimiter to 7100 will help with not bumping off the rev limiter.