SFR TT kit
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Oleg i have been considering this kit as well... you should talk to Tinman if you haven't already... he's been running this kit for quite some time on his G problem free (although his motor is BUILT).
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From: chino hills
So what do you think of my choice?
what i can tell you is i had the SFR kit for about a year now putting around 10000mi on it without any problems.i have built motor but but for the first 6 months or so it was stock.Tim has it on his Z for few months now,he's running 470 something whp on stock motor.
i just have to laugh it out loud when i read those 2 comments
as for the ball bearing...if you can,get it.you pay for what you get and you get what you pay for.
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Originally Posted by tinman
...if you can,get it.you pay for what you get and you get what you pay for.
Good response.I feel the end choice is what Oleg feels comfortable with and what his budget and goals are. Either Turbo kit will be just fine however I feel there is more POWER potential in the SFR kit.
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Originally Posted by tinman
obviously you've done some homeworks.i'm not here to tell you things like get THIS kit or don't get THAT kit because it's sucks.
what i can tell you is i had the SFR kit for about a year now putting around 10000mi on it without any problems.i have built motor but but for the first 6 months or so it was stock.Tim has it on his Z for few months now,he's running 470 something whp on stock motor.
i just have to laugh it out loud when i read those 2 comments
as for the ball bearing...if you can,get it.you pay for what you get and you get what you pay for.
what i can tell you is i had the SFR kit for about a year now putting around 10000mi on it without any problems.i have built motor but but for the first 6 months or so it was stock.Tim has it on his Z for few months now,he's running 470 something whp on stock motor.
i just have to laugh it out loud when i read those 2 comments
as for the ball bearing...if you can,get it.you pay for what you get and you get what you pay for.
BTW, Tinman, how is that fully built tranny surviving that onslaught of power?
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From: chino hills
BTW, Tinman, how is that fully built tranny surviving that onslaught of power?
tinman... everytime i read that name it cracks me up.. tinman ahahaha sorry ok im done
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Originally Posted by Oleg
I just got a big raise at work an being as grown-up and mature as I am, I decided to switch my plans from ST to TT and possibly do something that few have done by now. Furniture for my new condo? Who cares!!! Lets spend the $ on what's REALLY important.
An SFR distributor opened up 2 hrs away from me. After speaking to them I have come up with a plan. SFR tuner kit, AAM fuel return systems, RC 650cc injectors and TXS UTEC all tuned to 9-9.5 PSI. Should make good power on stock motor, and in 12-18 month I can just upgrade the internals and just up the boost for more power.
Anyway, what did I miss in this idea and is it worth to spend an extra grand to get ball bearing turbos? Are they higher or lower maintainance as opposed to the standard bearting units? What about heat, which makes more?
Thanks.
An SFR distributor opened up 2 hrs away from me. After speaking to them I have come up with a plan. SFR tuner kit, AAM fuel return systems, RC 650cc injectors and TXS UTEC all tuned to 9-9.5 PSI. Should make good power on stock motor, and in 12-18 month I can just upgrade the internals and just up the boost for more power.
Anyway, what did I miss in this idea and is it worth to spend an extra grand to get ball bearing turbos? Are they higher or lower maintainance as opposed to the standard bearting units? What about heat, which makes more?
Thanks.
To ease some peoples minds about the SFR kit.........I would not use the word unproven.SportZ Magazine did not use those words when they tested our kit against all the big companies in their turbo shootout.Besides that we have had these kits on cars for more then two years.Its not like it has been out for two months.
APS,Greddy,JWT,etc... have nice kits but they are power limited! You can only do so much with log manifolds and small turbos stuffed next to the side of the block.Now if you look at all of these kits, they are all the same.The manifolds,turbos,downpipes,piping,etc......are nearly identical because you can only do so much with the space constraints in these engine bays.We took a completely different approach with our turbo system.Big power was the driving force along with reliability.As far as reliability goes......we have not had one cracked header.The car with the most miles on it so far is one of our customers and he is 30K+ miles.He has 304SS headers and no cracks.We have been building headers for a long time and we know how to do it right.The materials we use are from reputable companies which allows us to build a better product then the stuff coming out of Taiwan.We offer a lifetime warranty on the 321SS headers for the turbo system because we know, they will be trouble free for the life of your car.We have took our racing background in Porsches(we have built hundreds of high dollar headers for these cars for almost ten years with no cracking issues) and applied it to the 350Z turbo system so that there is no issues with any of our parts cracking or breaking.Here is an example:
http://www.europeancarweb.com/projec...410ec_proj951/
So enough about the headers cracking concerns.......back to the turbo system itself.Turbonetics T3-T4 turbos.We are the only company that has been able to fit two T3-T4 turbos on these cars.Tial 38mm wastegates which have been around for many years and are the same wastegates that Greddy uses with thier kit.We use Spearco intercoolers,not some cheap Taiwain intercooler cores like some other companies are using.We use real K&N airfilters,we use the best mandrel bent aluminum and stainless money can buy.What else is their in this kit that could be better?
APS,Greddy,JWT,etc... have nice kits but they are power limited! You can only do so much with log manifolds and small turbos stuffed next to the side of the block.Now if you look at all of these kits, they are all the same.The manifolds,turbos,downpipes,piping,etc......are nearly identical because you can only do so much with the space constraints in these engine bays.We took a completely different approach with our turbo system.Big power was the driving force along with reliability.As far as reliability goes......we have not had one cracked header.The car with the most miles on it so far is one of our customers and he is 30K+ miles.He has 304SS headers and no cracks.We have been building headers for a long time and we know how to do it right.The materials we use are from reputable companies which allows us to build a better product then the stuff coming out of Taiwan.We offer a lifetime warranty on the 321SS headers for the turbo system because we know, they will be trouble free for the life of your car.We have took our racing background in Porsches(we have built hundreds of high dollar headers for these cars for almost ten years with no cracking issues) and applied it to the 350Z turbo system so that there is no issues with any of our parts cracking or breaking.Here is an example:
http://www.europeancarweb.com/projec...410ec_proj951/
So enough about the headers cracking concerns.......back to the turbo system itself.Turbonetics T3-T4 turbos.We are the only company that has been able to fit two T3-T4 turbos on these cars.Tial 38mm wastegates which have been around for many years and are the same wastegates that Greddy uses with thier kit.We use Spearco intercoolers,not some cheap Taiwain intercooler cores like some other companies are using.We use real K&N airfilters,we use the best mandrel bent aluminum and stainless money can buy.What else is their in this kit that could be better?
Originally Posted by USN HM 350Z
+1
+1.Apparently you are a bit concerned about what we are doing because you keep replying to threads that involve us as well as sending private emails to our customers and distributors........I wonder why?
We will be at the dyno on December 10th so why dont you bring your supercar down and we will see how it compares to all the other twin turbo cars.Unless ofcourse you are scared
Originally Posted by Zivman
In terms of what? smoking turbo?
I had a smoking turbo and through a chain of events had it remedied. Now that it is resolved I think I can say with a bit of certainty, that it was NOT and issue with the kit's design, nor was an install related issue. I cannot say that my situation is similar to any others that had issues with the APS kit. I can say that those posting on the forums with issues are not necessarily as informed as they would lead you to believe about what's 'wrong' with their car.
I am just posting my opinion. You are welcome to run any kit you choose. I put my money in a product that I felt was the best.
I had a smoking turbo and through a chain of events had it remedied. Now that it is resolved I think I can say with a bit of certainty, that it was NOT and issue with the kit's design, nor was an install related issue. I cannot say that my situation is similar to any others that had issues with the APS kit. I can say that those posting on the forums with issues are not necessarily as informed as they would lead you to believe about what's 'wrong' with their car.
I am just posting my opinion. You are welcome to run any kit you choose. I put my money in a product that I felt was the best.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
Forgive me if I missed it, but I haven't seen a thread about how you fixed the smoking problems, just posts saying that it has been fixed. It seems like APS customers don't like to post the bad things about the kit.
I firmly believe my situation to be an isolated case. this is not to say that others don't have a smoking issue, just that, their situation is not the same as mine
Originally Posted by Oleg
Tinman,
Now that you've mentioned 16 PSI, how much whp do you subject the poor thing to?
Now that you've mentioned 16 PSI, how much whp do you subject the poor thing to?
More then anyone else has done on these boards so far
Originally Posted by TurboTim
+1.Apparently you are a bit concerned about what we are doing because you keep replying to threads that involve us as well as sending private emails to our customers and distributors........I wonder why?
We will be at the dyno on December 10th so why dont you bring your supercar down and we will see how it compares to all the other twin turbo cars.Unless ofcourse you are scared
We will be at the dyno on December 10th so why dont you bring your supercar down and we will see how it compares to all the other twin turbo cars.Unless ofcourse you are scared
what the hell are you talking about? I havent sent PMs to any of your customers (dont even know any) or your distributors.
If you read my posts for the last two months you will know that I am going to be moved to Virginia by the first week of Dec.
Quit trying to involve me in your quarrels with other people. grow the hell up.
oh and FYI Tim, the only reason I chose not to go with your system. Your customer service sucks. I asked you simple questions and you could not give me a straight answer (either could keith). Your prices were higher than that of your competitions and frankly the way you do business bothers me.
So how about you MAN UP and quit telling lies and get down to making your business something better?
Once again (the way you do business bothers me)
So how about you MAN UP and quit telling lies and get down to making your business something better?
Once again (the way you do business bothers me)
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