9psi feels great-I had a loose IC coupling and was loosing boost no big deal, easy fix-but very nice of you to show everyone how immature you are by bringing up my TN "issue". What you said and I said are the same thing, lol.

Ill get you some Vagisil to put on your Vagina so it doesnt hurt everytime somebody recommends the TN over the APS single....

 

maybe a poll on how long your motor will last will make the time pass until you can send that out to me.

You can go throw out all the BS bashing comments at me and yet you call me immature. Get over it. I could give a **** if you run a homedepot turbo setup.

I have my opinions and you have yours.

 

Exactly Captain O-and hearing you state your opinions in every post and spread TN misinformation is getting old. Have a cup of this...

Ok Im done-sorry to the original topic starter. LEt me just say I agree with the Sharifs plan, and if I had to do it again Id spend the $$ on the TN TUNER kit, and do a piggyback off the start. That way you get a great kit, without its weakness.

 

Can you PM me specs and a price on that.

 

Does the tuner kit sill place the turbo in the engine bay?
Does the turbo placement still inhibit you from running a larger radiator if you so choose?
Does it still route the exhaust piping right passed a bunch of coolant and A/C lines in the cramped space between the rail and engine?
Does it still lack a replacement oil pan or at least a spacer?

 

Same price as the TN setup and includes a tunable EMS.

Early dynos show High 300 whp#s

 

^^^Are those just my opinions???

 

You have once again ruined a perfectly good post. Stop your whining

 

You wanted to start the debate on the kits. you throw out names like nut hugger and such and comment on how I need vagisile and you know what I respond with??? Facts about the weakness of the kit you recommend. Weaknesses that are inherant in the design of the kit and that cannot be overlooked.

And I must ask:

.....that you can't see them?

 

Ok-you want to get into this-for the posters sake Ill answer your Q's and provide solutions and the TN kit is still cheaper than the APS ST.

Yes, and there is nothing wrong with this. The car does not overheat, the kit provides "some" heat shielding, you can certainly add more at the cost of $40 if you wish. The FACT is there is nothing wrong with running the turbo in the engine bay-your OPINION is that for some reason this is wrong. Tell that to ST Supra owers.

No it does not. Do some research before making stupid comments-again you try to spread misinformation and you are incorrect. You CAN run a Koyo (the large unit BTW) with the TN kit. The fit is tight but it can and HAS been done.

Again, you dont like this idea, but there is nothing wrong with it. Nobodys TN car has had a/c failures or overheating, the line is heat wrapped, and again if you want the piece of mind-which I did you can wrap it more.

No kit is perfect, no biggie. Im not saying the TN kit is the best kit on earth, if you wanna be a cry baby and break down weakness' every ki t has them, but all of these issues can be "taken care of" Simple $100 fix-JWT oil pan spacer for th eabove "issue". You can tap right into that for your oil return and add 1qt capacity.

At the end of the day you can get a Tuner kit(if you shop around) AND piggyback AND oil pan spacer AND Injectors AND all the heat wrap you want for less than the APS ST, and have the ability to blow away the APS kit. That is what Im saying, and in less words that is what Sharif was saying. Now go cry a river....people actually choose the TN ST over the APS

And notice Im not getting into a debate because I dont care, Im not sitting at my computer typing APS' issues....Im simply providing information to everybody so they can make up their own minds on whats the better decision in their case.

 

I would love to see pics of a TN setup running a larger core koyo.
pics for you to ponder:

And then take a look at the pics on TN install instructions:
http://http://www.turboneticsinc.com...Nissan350Z.pdf
And not only is the turbo potentially causing issues with anything larger than the oem radiator, but you have piping running right in between the fans and engine.

I never said, you couldn't get away with the turbo placement and running the exhaust piping where TN does, just that I think it is a poor choice. I have read about people melting A/C, even ones that were wrapped with heat wrap. And all the added heat to the engine bay by the placement of the turbo does not make the kit appealing in my mind. On top of that, it limits the size of the dump pipe off the turbo.

yes, some people have been making more HP with the TN kits, but most are very close to the numbers APS ST kit owners are seeing.

When it comes down to it, if you buy all the missing pieces for the TN kits, the price is not even a factor. I have seen complete APS ST kits out there for under 5000 bucks, so get off your high horse thinking you are getting a bargain with the TN kit.

And no, I did not say sharif lost credibility in my eyes because he did not recommend the APS setup. He lost it because he recommended the TN setup. He could have recommended JWT, greddy, or god forbid APS and I could see the logic in anyone of those.

 

Recommending a TT set-up when the guy wants 350-400whp is stupid, and so are you for thinking that would of been ok. I think Sharif was dead on with what he recommended you dont need a $5500 or $7000+ APS TT/JWT TT kit to run just 350-400whp. Man I dont know why I waste my time with you-your really something special....

 

Zivman you are the most hypocrticial @sswipe on the boards today. You constantly pretend like you don't nut hug EVERYTHING APS produces but every post you make says get APS the Turbonetics kit sucks. I think we've already established both have their quirks but what was recommended by Sharif is dead on. Stop being such a c@ck juggler and quit posting mis-information. You are obviously poorly informed and horribly versed in the Turbonetics kit. Can't upgrade to a bigger radiator?! Are you serious? What planet do you live on. Theres at least two with upgraded radiators and the turbo has NO BEARING on the radiator placement. The cars don't overheat even after 3 solid hours at Streets of Willow which is a tight short course that doesn't give you a lot of open stretchs to get good airflow. How do I know, maybe because my car has actually been there and run on it. Grow up Peter Pan, stop being such a fanboi that you claim you are not..

 

No problem..pm D35010 for some pics of his Koyo..I know he already posted them somewhere. FYI there was an APS guy in Oregon who had trouble installing a Koyo for the same reason everyone else does...the piping was in the way. The two installed on Turbonetics cars had the same issue and were easily 5 inches away from the turbo...read, learn, then open your *** dumpster..

 

Here you go @sshat pics of a Koyo on a Turbonetics car... only fitment issue was the piping just like EVERYONe else: http://www.putfile.com/d350z

 

Yeah at 8 PSI. Tack on another 1.5 PSI to match the APS car and then what happens? Oh yeah well over 400 tuned

 

Ziv, I am sorry you feel this way. The TN kit, IMHO, provides a very good value (about $4500) versus the APS Single T kit at $5900 And given the issues I have discussed with several customers, and the lack of tuning options make me recommend the TN over the APS single T kit.

As all of you know by now, I dont play favorites with any one manufacturer, and I call them like I see them. I don't blindly believe in one brand over another. I try to recommend products based on my experience with them, and the experiences of trusted shops and customers. Notice how I was refering to "my" customers, and not the stories posted on the boards.

And Ziv, believe me when I tell you the TN kit is FAR from perfect out of the box. But its an easier kit to fix and tinker with, and once its dialed in, it's power output and potential are outstanding. None of the current kits on the market are perfect out of the box.

 

The pics you linked don't really show anything of value in terms running the koyo with the TN kit. In terms of runnning the Koyo with either of the APS kits, there is no fitment issue. No piping in the way like with the TN setup.

my koyo on my TT setup - these are the type of pics I would like to see:







You guys are awesome. Resorting to name calling, but I would have thought you could have come up with better names than:
@sshat
c@ck juggler
hypocrticial @sswipe
nut hugger
and refereing to my "*** dumpster"
^sounds to me that some one has some homophobic issues or maybe just some homosexual tendancies

And to talk about talking ****, remember the thread from motoring?
"Possible blown APS ST kit? Tuned at GRD.. "

I think "wtf no turbo" said it best:
and you call me an @sshat???

 

I appreciate your reply and know that you don't blindly beleive in one brand over another.

 

The psi difference means nothing as the turbos being used are not the same. Just look at blown motors if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty. Go ahead and factor % of blown motors to total kits sold.

This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. I think it is safe to say, based on the posts the originator of this thread has made on this forum, that ANY turbo setup is out of his league. And, that 99.7% of what was talked about here, be it BS or fact, is beyond his realm of understanding.