Yup I sure do... Oh and since theres no piping issues maybe you can explain this thread: https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....highlight=koyo

Yup thats an APS owner complaining about fitment issues with the Koyo and intercooler piping. But let me guess..hes making it up too? Since I don't have the Koyo on my car because well, there really hasn't been a need yet even though unlike you I actually track my car I don't have pics readily avail but if you pm D350Z10 he can get you some.. I love when APS owners have to get tough about their issues so Peter wont cut off their support for posting them..

 

I can't explain that thread. sorry

That said, I can't explain 90% of the problems people post on the net regardless if it is FI or n/a. Most of the time, it is just a bunch of BS that is related to install or just percieved issues.

In terms of peter cutting off anyone's support, that is just a bunch of hear say crap. You should be dealing with the dealer you purchased the product from like GRD. When you have problems with your car your first instinct isn't to call up the factory it came from or the design team that designed it.

 

Um yeah it is if they offer support on a product they designed. If I have an issue with my Maxtor HDD I should call Compusa and talk to someone who knows nothing instead of Maxtor who can do something. Why should you have to go through a middle man to get issues resolved. Is GRD going to engineer a fix for every issue? Who had to redesign the oil return system on the APS ST? GRD? Brainstorm? Dynocomp? Nope APs did. So why should I talk to GRD who can do one of two things, tell me to wait till its fixed if they installed it, or tell me the standard APS BS line of its an install problem if God forbid a non-'authorized" dealer installed even if that installer has forgotten more about turbos then GRD will ever know? There are several people who have posted mind you that after making their issues public they got no respons from Peter via PM about issues ditto to emails from GRD. Of course months later they finally decide to help them but does that make it right? I know AAM had an issue with an oil return on an APS ST. They contact APS to get a "fix kit" and get no response. Email, phone, nothing. This is a shop trying to fix your customers issue. Finally the customer has to go to GRD just to get the fix for his issue. Thats good customer service? And why, cause AAM isn't authorized dealer?

 

Out of courtesy, can we keep this thread on topic. I am sure the poster will have some updates on his APS TT install shortly.

 

untill you walk the path of a customer that is in need of customer support with their APS kit you should keep your mouth shut on the specifics of how APS issues are handled.

 

NICE

 

Unitl you have actually installed or own a Turbonetics kit you should keep your mouth shut about your perceived issues..

 

Is a blown motor a perceived issue? or does that just come standard in an otherwise incomplete TN package?

 

Another Z owner that has seen the light of reality

 

Enough...please...both of you.


Honestly, I find your battles very entertaining, but please take it somewhere else.

 

No your opinion of everything non-APS is perceived. Do you ever stop nut hugging? BTW APS has two failed motors themselves. Guess what guy, the failed Turbonetics motors have something in common with the APS ones, the customers either did not check their cars after installing other parts, or failed to verify things were dafe and secure before they got on them. Not checking oil level, not checking for a coolant leak, not checking AFR after altering to a wide open exhaust.

 

I think the TN kit is a great kit and if I were in the market for a single it would be it hands down! If you want a TT go APS. IMO.
This is why I will buy my FI and motor parts from you in the future.

 

Link me the blown motors on an APS ST kit. Or atleast the usernames of those that have the blown motors.

I would send you the TN blown motors, but I bet you are well aware of them

 

Actually the APS blown motors were TT kits...they are on this board..do a search...

 

OK then - I know exactly which you're are refering to and both are not directly APS related blown motors....and I thought we were talking ST setups?

 

You never made the distinction, and how are they are APS related? Was the APS installed on the car? Thats how you are grouping Turbonetics failed motors. Someone puts on a straight through exhaust and doesn't check to see if hes overboosting or if his AFR is leaner then it should be before he gets on it and the motor fails. Thats Turbonetics fault? Because he didn't check his boost or AFR? In that case then it should be APS's fault for them not checking for coolant leaks or oil being low.

 

A person not bolting up his coolant line properly, kinking his fuel line or checking his oil in 5K miles are hardly comparable to detionation blown motors we see with the TN kit

 

and I thought we were talking about ST kits?

 

Why is that? In both cases the person failed to check a critical part of the install or change to the car and it resulted in the motor letting loose. A person installing a ridiculously free flowing exhaust and not checking AFR or boost pressure is just as bad as someone not checking their oil in 5k miles. When you boost an N/A car checks have to be made after every mod regardless of the kit you use. isn't the first thing APS cars do after installing an APS exhaust is retune? Why is that? Because an really free flowing exhaust makes HUGE changes to a turbo car. Even more so on one that was not turbo from the factory. So its less negligent to not check your oil after 5k miles then to verify something as simple as AFR or boost after installing a different exhaust? Where the logic in that. Why don't you do this, come up with someone who installed the Turbonetics kit with a stock motor and no other mods and tell me how many blew their motor. You won't find any. Why? Because until you start tweaking the car past what the kit was designed for its just as safe as any other kit out there. Once you start adding other mods its only common sense that you need to make sure things are still safe. APS guys do the same thing when they install the APS plenum or exhaust. They go back on the dyno and check AFR and boost and re-tune if they can. It should be considered no different for any other kit.

 

You have never said your posts were related to ST kits only and since the OP even specified either one I'd say they are both free game. Considering that there are MAYBE 10 APS ST owners here compared to 40 + Turbonetics owners I'd say it doesn't really matter. Besides your problem with Turbonetics has no bearing on ST or TT. You love everything APS does and bash everything else so whats the point of limiting the type of kit. You don't. And you have brought up your own TT enough to make it fair game anyway.