Sure you can. We were just discussing fully built motors. I think one guy is running 550rwhp on a bone stock block with headwork. A few more people are running 500rwhp with just rod bolts (talk about a cheap engine build). Plenty are running just under 500rwhp with completely stock motors.

 

If your starting with a bone stock car it will come close to 15K, but it will be a little more.

You spent $11K and you already had a TT kit. Most TT kits are about $7500-$8000 depending on the brand. This is for either for a complete kit out of the box or buying the supplemental parts to make non complete kits complete.

 

Even running a stock motor if you are starting from scratch after all is said and done a TT kit, exhaust, test pipes, gauges, and install/tune you are coming close to $15K.

 

True, that money did include all of the gauges and engine management stuff as well. New clutch also. I think a lot of people get caught up and spend way too much money especially here in So cal. My point was simply to look around and find the best deal, I also agree that by buying from multiple places is tough due to scheduling as well as whose fault should something go wrong.
I would be scared to death to run those numbers on stock motors! Like someone else said it is more expensive to build a blown motor than a new motor. Just get it done right and you will LOVE it!!!

That includede a custon true dual 3 inch exhaust!!

 

Absolutely. That doesn't even include the wider wheels and tires you are going to need to put that power down (add roughly $4K). I can't imagine doing the wheels without a little drop so factor in some suspension ($600 for cheapest springs and install to $3K for coilovers w/EDFC and install and sways). There will be many more costs as well especially if you track...BBK

 

I just sold a built long block, no head work or cams, but it had pauter rods, arp head studs and main bolts and arias pistons, i sold the entire motor with IM and 650cc injectors already installed on it for 5000 and you can keep your stock one as a spare or sell it

 

Yeah, there are definately more costs, but as far as the engine goes I thought the numbers were a little high.
Speaking of putting the power down, at some point you cant use all that power. Also, controlling it becomes an issue for many people.

 

I absolutely refuse to believe in traction problems. Something has to be able to hook up that power. How many 1000rwhp street Supras run 9s? I think it is just going to take some experimenting to figure out how to hook up.

 

True, would love to be able to hook it up on mine. Probably in time.

 

I would say that if you are going fully built (like I am) then you need to add a proper EMS, and like Gman pointed out you need to consider what it will take to put the power to the wheels and keep it there without breaking stuff.
You start putting down 500+rwhp and you might want to look at improving handling and cooling. New suspension, stronger clutch, bigger/fatter wheels, improved oil cooler, radiator etc. Without saying to maximize the power you need better exhaust.
You start wanting 600+rwhp and you might want to consider replacing the LSD and axle along with cryo treating and heat coating certain engine parts.

So, you tally all the supporting gear and you are looking at one HEFTY bill. You could easily start talking $30 – 40 with all the goodies.

That all said, SGP engines are a good deal for most people.

 

hey guys i know when i got off the computer i realized thant i spelled loan wrong. but my school is paid for all i pay for is my car. well there is no way im paying 15k to build this motor, i dont have that kind of money but now im going to look at these short blocks you guys were talking about.

 

I think the average joe would consider a built motor (at least i do) simply putting forged rods and pistons, main and head studs, and some heavy duty gaskets. This would be more than enough for 500whp. Just doing this would only cost $3000, not including labour and install, but even then it can't be more than $4000 -$4500.

 

As long as you don't want more than 500rwhp, you'll be fine with a shortblock.

 

Basic short block: $2700 + $1000 core - Good up to 600 Rwhp


Block oil passages cleaned
Block redecked
Block Bored and Honed using a Torque Plate
Crank balanced
Crank journals polished
Eagle rods
ARP Rod Studs
New Rod and Main bearings
Wiseco Pistons .020 over(8.5:1 or 11.5:1)


Upgraded Shortblock: $3600 + $1000 core - Good up to 750 Rwhp


Block oil passages cleaned
Block redecked
Block Bored and Honed using a Torque Plate
Crank balanced
Crank journals polished
New Main and Rod bearings w/*ceramic coating
*Pauter Rods
ARP Rod Bolts
*CP Pistons .020 over(8.5:1 or 11.5:1)

 

I've been doing a lot of research, and to fully kit out a Z with built short block, TT, clutch, exhaust, gauges, all drivetrain upgrades including new driveshafts, wheels, coilovers, basically totally done (and bodykit ofcourse) would cost around 25k without labour and install, but of course most of it can be done by ourselves. only engine and tt need to be done by pros.

 

Yeap you could do something like this:

http://www.importpartspro.com/st1blon.html

And add ARP Head and Main studs($370) and Cometic Head Gaskets($175) and you would be good for 500 Rwhp Easy

 

Let's see:

TT Kit w/install = $15K (includes clutch, exhaust, guages, rad, misc)
Shortblock = $4K
Wheels = $4K
Coilovers = $2K (with EDFC)
Total = $25K

No body kit or install for suspension. Add $500 for suspenion install. Add at least $2K for a decent full bodykit. Add $2500 for paint and install. I would do BBK so add near $5K with install. If you are into audio then figure in another $5K. New total = $40K

 

I don't know where some people get their figures from. I guess once they actually venture down that road of completing modding the *** out of their car will find out the truth. Unfortunately the only labor I was able to do was install my clear corners. I am not mechanically inclined.

My Set up
AEM wideband 02 sensor $425
PLX R-500 $500
Gauge pod $100
Defi Boost Gauge $95
Amp/tints/box $600
Clear Corners $43
Asanti 19 rims and tires $4600
RPM signal adapter $25
Sway bars $310
Greddy kit EVO II, BOV, timer, boost controller, install $9687
AAM Fuel return/walboro 255 $1100
crawford Plenum $500
TS L-spec ECU flash $380
RC 550's + $530
TS full spec $330
SGP long block $7500
ATS Clutch $1750
boost (1st broke) and fuel pressure guage $310
UR pulley set + $330
Nismo low tem therm + $125
Samco hose (blue) $200
Top Secret Body Kit $2700
pi-thon locks and caps $255
powder coat rims/disasemble and reasemble $540
Emanage Ultimage/harness/autosport harness $830
Labor $2,730
PE enterpises radiator $625
Labor for radiator $340
HKS mufflers $550
Exhaust $650
Body kit install and paint $1000
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$39,287

I haven't bought my suspension yet. This is next and that's it.
350 evo front arms $850
Spc rear camber arms & toe $220
Tein/edfc $1900
upgrade rotors $700-$800

 

Wow, my estimates are pretty good considering I haven't bought the stuff yet. I love seeing a car go as extreme as yours did. However, may I suggest you not lie to yourself. You know it'll never be done. Although, short of a BBK, I don't really know what else you could do. Maybe N2O?????

 

Actually I have a deposit on a set of Diamond Black Volk GT-7's, but that's it. Funny thing is when I bought the car I told myself I wasn't going to change anything except add an amp and sub woofer to the OEM radio. One thing led to another.