Hi guys, I am new to this forum, and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few things.I just purchased a tn single turbo kit, and for right now i am just going to run it on my stock block, with the ecu reflash. completely bolt on, no changes. i do plan on using an emanage or utec to fine tune later. I am going to be installing this kit my self, i am very capable, and used to own a shop that did only SR swaps, so i am very good with nissans.

One of the main things that scares me is taping the upper oil pan for the oil return line. I have read where many of you have used an oil pan spacer and taped that, but i was wondering about this oil pan? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OIL-P...37340643QQrdZ1has any one tried this? it looks as though you could just tap into the plate on the top of the pan and plumb it straight down ? no kinks or flat spots.plus the extra capacity seems like it would be nice to have. would this work instead of tapping into my block?

Also , and this may just be me not seeing the trees for the forest, but since you have to remove the plenuim, why do I not see more people using an intake spacer, they seem to be readily availible , and I recall using them on sr's and getting 10-20 real ponies. is that not the case with motor?It truly seems like a nobrainer with as much of the intake as you have to take apart ...

and finally, i see everyone using the utec, which I am not familar with. Is there a reason why more people are not using the emanage ?
sorry to bombard with newbe type questions, but if there are another simple mods that i am missing, or any advice you can give me as i embark on my first real mods to me z would be a great help.. thanks....

 

Oil spacers or aftermarket lower pans are perfect to avoid tapping the upper pan while installing this kit.

However, I wouldn't buy that oil pan, its a poor quality knockoff of the Power Enterprise pan. Someone here posted pics of it and the casting quality seemed very poor. Remember that you get what you pay for. If cost is a concern I would suggest going with the JWT or AAM oil pan spacers. I don't trust generic parts off ebay.

I would also suggest going with a plenum mod of some sorts. I would suggest the Motordyne Isothermal spacer setup (look in my sig ). From what I have experienced these will give you a gain of at *least* 10whp from the spacer alone.

As far as the EU vs the UTEC, there are many threads in this forum comparing the two. From folks that have already taken the plunge with them, it seems as if more are getting satisfactory results from the UTEC. Do a search and you will find your answers.

Good luck with the install.

 

thanks... that was just what i was looking for!!!

 

Whats up Charlie!? I would suggest a Motordyne Iso Thermal plenum spacer kit as well. I have the 1/2" Iso Thermal kit....definitely felt a power increase on my N/A motor! You might want the 5/16 spacer (smaller to clear the strut bar on the Z). Also, if I kept the kit, I would get the UTEC as well. Seems to be a very good engine management system. As for an oil pan, you got spacers and the whole after market pan, which ever you prefer and can afford. Definitely get a custom 3" exhaust though...but be carefull with the exhaust and the reflash.

 

Also, you may want to wait for the Turbonetics stage 1.5 upgrade if you're looking for a tunable ems. They will be offering a complete fuel system/ems upgrade that comes as a package and will be much cheaper than piecing your own together. Also, the pieces of it will be thoroughly tested by Turbonetics themselves to make sure it functions well as a complete system.

 

When i recall reading a SS magazine issue they evaluated the quality of knockoff items sold on Ebay.

When the have examined the knockoff oil pan the noticed some are blasted and the particles/paint/sand comes of very easily off the oil pan during engine operation.

 

ITs too late, i already bought the kit .. i got great deal from trin. I was going to call turbonetics and see if i could get the injectors swapped out, but i think i am leaning toward the utech form all the things i read about the timing running parralell. thanks for all the input guys, you have all been very friendly....

 

It sounds like you have the UTEC thing figured out, but I will pitch in any way. As you probably know the emanage alters existing signals, but the ECU can still make minor adjustments. The factory ECU has a "normal" and "advanced" timing map and can switch between the 2, along with slightly altering other signals. The UTEC can let the stock ECU control things like idle, but completely rids you of any changes the ECU may make. Also, the ability to switch between maps, and the 4 bar map sensor are nice. Also, no cutting, splicing, or additional harnesses are needed, it's strait plug n' play. There is a ton of info on this site, so I will shut up now. I am sure someone will chime in and correct me anyway....

 

Many folks are using the eManage Ultimate, and the UTEC. The UTEC is newer product, and more powerful, which is the reason you see more current chat about it. It's a great tuning tool, but it is very much a full stand-alone, in terms of its function; hence, it can be a bit overwhelming for the novice tuner. Once its dialed in, the engines absolutely sing.

Plenums and spacers have very close power gains, so its mainly personal preference. So people prefer the bling factor of the various upgraded plenums. Others were the more functional and cost effective approach in the spacer. It's really your choice, but they all will provide some solid gains.

In regards to the oil pan, I agree...steer clear of the EBAY knock offs. For a little bit more, I would suggest the AAM oil pan spacer, coupled with the TN return line kit. It's a well engineered setup, and provides solid and secure -8 connector to the oil pan. Here is a link: http://www.forgedinternals.com/store...cat=264&page=1
The line kit is $79.

 

if money is nothing to consider i`d get ARC Oil Pan its little bit costly compared to APS/PE but if feel this one is like specifically made for Turbonetics Kit

http://performancenissanparts.com/ca...roducts_id=685

 

You'd have to be crazy to pay that kind of money. AAM (Altered Atmosphere Motorsports) has a spacer available that is already drilled for for oil return and comes with all the fittings an lines specific to the FI you are using. I think it's $240 with lines/fittings.

It's made from CNC billet aluminum. It's a nice product.

Respect
JET

 

Not sure if you understand, but the 1.5 kit will be an upgrade for your existing kit. Do some research on the forums here there are a few posts about it.

 

So are you guys saying the EU is worthless?

 

Not at all, it is probably easier to tune (the UI seems more user friendly). The UTEC is slighty safer and like Sharif stated it is more like a standalone (it is not a true standalone), so it gives you more flexability. The EU is not similar to a standalone in that it only alters what the ECU is already doing. The Utec is strait plug in play, the EU you either have to buy a harness, or tap into the factory wiring harness. It just seems to me that by the time you buy everything for the EU it is close to the same price as the Utec, and the Utec is slighty better IMO.

 

Not at all. On the contrary, we've used it on cars up to 600whp+. It's definately the best of the piggyback style ECU's on the market. The UTEC is a different animal, in that it sits parrell to the ECU, but takes full control over timing and fueling duties, just like a full stand alone.

If you are planning to tune an NA engine, they can both work just fine. If you are planning to tune the engine yourself, it would be a good idea to demo both platforms, if possible, and figure out which system you would prefer to tune with.

 

I am just looking to get about 400 solid hp and tq or more if possible. Can the EU do this?

 

Sorry to intrude on your thread..LOL!

 

Yes it can. Now back to the regularly scheduled program.

 

honestly.. you are asking some of the same questions I have, beacuse it sounds like we have about the same goals. But then at the same time, i see some poeple (cough , cough) who appear to be lucky enough to get a standard reflash that gets the same 400 i am looking for. SO would a utech just help with motor longivity? and obviusly it would help you get all the extra power hidden in your motor out, but just for a solid 400 is it truly nessasary ?

 

Just becuase one person has success with a given platform, doesnt mean its the BEST solution. So you have to take everyone's experiences with a grain of salt, and decide for yourself, on the best solution for you. And to make things even more confusing, the BEST solution for one person, may not be the BEST solution for another.

There are lots of solid tuning options on the market today. My first question would be: Who is going to tune the car? Does this shop/person have more experience with one platform over another? Do they feel comfortable tuning both? I would rather you ask your tuner for their opinion, becuase they will be the ones tuning your engine.

Do you plan on tuning the engine yourself?