Originally Posted by paranormal

what?

Originally Posted by booger

Well with alot of the APS guys always reminding every one that the APS is the safest and most complete kit out there . You can expect it when others make a big deal about it . With the likes of Zivman and others always tell people it is the nth in TT kits and blowing a motor with the APS is slim.....your going to hear about it when they start blowing motors . It just seems fare that the APS lovers get back as much as they gave out .

Originally Posted by westpak

I think there should be a distinction between a kit blowing an engine and just general FI causing an engine to fail. Some kits out of the box have failed engines, this one went for a while and had mods and retunes so it then falls into general FI failures.

Second not all engines will be the same, there are manufacturing tolerances and also manufacturing defects possible where one engine will fail and another one wont given same kits and mods. Some even have blown in NA form as mentioned before.

Third a failure usually cannot be determined by the conditions at the time of the failure, a piston failure definetly happens over time and a rod more than likely as well, it will take the beating until it just says enough and fails. For a rod to fail instantaneously it would have to be such a force that it is hard to believe it would happen while running the car.

Only way to be sure is to build the engine with forged internals which are made for that. I just hit 40k miles total on stock block with 20k on FI and still running.

Originally Posted by wtf no turbo

Hit the nail on the head.Factory specs on rods and pistons are by no means made to take the tq that alot are running.Some hold some dont and all turbo kits blow motors.I didnt want my engine to pop but i always knew the risk was there.Good tuning helps for sure but not fullproof.Ive seen a 2JZ-GTE blow with 520 hp on what looked like a good tune.Seen same spec engine run 650 hp for 25k.

Always a crap shoot with big boost and be prepared to break sh*t.

Originally Posted by NETSHARK

ooh yesterday i went to a garage which installs/tune Skyline R34`s Supra`s 350Z`s, and i saw Turbonetics box there, it might be the first Turbonetics Z in Kuwait which i know about, i`ve asked the Installer his name is Koko, how long it will take to install it and how much the ST installation will cost, he told me the owner of the Z blew his motor, he told me i recommend you NOT to install any forced induction, because this motor can`t handle the boost, and he told me what do you hear in the Internet is something and reality is something :P

anyway why did he blew his Z ?

1- he didn't use any gauge believe it or not !!!!! he told the installer am gonna order one later. ( people normally use Boost,EGT,AF and still getting problems)
2- he ordered a upgraded Clutch, while they are discovering what is the cause of the blown motor, they saw the clutch DARK BLACK, even my black T-Shirt looks white compared to the damaged clutch, the installer said maybe he ****fted into lower gear by wrong, thats why the clutch is BLACKKKKK.
3- maybe he was getting over-boost or he installed a boost controller and pumped up the boost.

what i did learned from this installer that he is good but the problem is from the people, some people ditch everything and go racing, no racing isn't as much important as completing your project first, fun will begin with your completed project.

P.S. am not gonna change my mind am gonna Armor my car with cooling stuff, then installing the Turbo Kit with Gauges of course

Originally Posted by aalzuhair

Sorry to say but this sounds like complete BS, if you like to see a twin turbo Z in Kuwait making +500whp let me know and I can arrange it for you

Further, I would recommend that you stay away from that guy, the so called tuner, obviously he doesn’t know the difference between $hit and shampoo

Originally Posted by NETSHARK

LOOOL thank you dude, the problem is that we dont have a good garage to trust all of them are BS but what should i do, install it myself ? i broke my bolts while installing MD Spacer do you want me to blew my engine with my install hehehe :P

N/P dude i`ll give you a call when i`m ready

Originally Posted by Three5oZee

aside from all that... just to entertain the subject... aps has been brought up quite often lately. i have been wondering myself as to i almost purchased the single turbo set up.... why didnt they make a separate wastegate so that it could be upgraded?...