Originally Posted by buzzardmountain

I don't quite understand how you "don't have a price for the reflash", you had to generate some kind of value for it to figure final pricing of the total kit, right?

Originally Posted by Noah@AAM

My $.02.

Reggie and the folks over at turbonetics have always been, to say the least, eager to help their customers. THey will go above and beyond for any customer who's kit carries their warranty. If Reggie could, i'm sure he would help you get a reflash.

We at AAM CANNOT flash ecu's with turbonetics' supplied flash. It is their program and only they can provide you with it. WIth a TurboXS UTEC there is no need to flash the ecu. The stock MAP sensor is good up to 6psi. This means that the factory ecu can handle A/F for up to that boost level. Turbonetics' flash takes thsi into account and safely dumps more fuel and air to compensate for teh factory weak-point. This explains why they are safe but also very rich. With teh UTEC's ability to take over when boost comes in....the factory ecu works fine...and the UTEC's 4bar MAP sensor provides more than enough rrom for the car to be tuned accurately and safely.

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by sq40

I Forsee this thread going way down hill if Turbonetic's Staff doesn't watch what they say and how they say it... As long as they remember who their customers are and who pays their bills..

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

Sort of but not really. They bought the Tectom gear from Technosquare before the kit was even released. The only potential way to determine cost of flash if they were trying to assign a value would be to divide number of flashes by the cost of the equipment to find an appropraite profit margin. However since it was and still is unknown how many total flashes will be done theres no number to use for this assesment. Bottom line is Turbonetics does not sell directly to the public for anything. When it comes to customer support issues and replacements yes they take care of the customer themselves but they do not receive money from customers for a sales event. That is processed through a vendor...You cannot call Turbonetics and just buy a kit or turbo. They would direct you to a vendor for that...

Originally Posted by buzzardmountain

Okay, I don't quite understand your post, but that's alright. They bought the "gear" before the kit was released, but the cost of the flash is not "built in" to the price?



In this quote, couldn't you just use "ST kits" in place of "flash/flashes" and wonder how they came up with a final price on the complete kit?

Not flaming, just trying to understand. The ST kit from TN is what I've seemed to make my final decision on. Just waiting for the 1.5 to be released. It just seems 35ounces was charged something? Whatever.....

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

I'm not going to argue with people on this. I don't have the data on how exactly they come up with costs of everything and they above was my "theory" but the last part of my thread remains true. Turbonetics doens't perform sales to the public of any kind and I think that was Reggie's point. I was not 100% in the loop on what 35ounces was charged but I believe the flash he was charged for was the costs Nissan charged Turbonetics to flash the factory program to his new ECU. Again I'm not looking to fight or argue about anything and I'm sure if Turboentics could take his money and do the flash they would. As for the overboost pipes I'll ask as well...

Originally Posted by Conceyted

Thanks, MIAPLAYA. I really hope this thread doesnt turn into a Turbonetics bashing thread OR an arguement thread. I just wanted to further understand what the problem was, and get some feedback from other 350z owners on this issue.
Some food for thought... Lets say in a few years time of having bought the TN kit new, you have an electrical problem and you blow your ecu with the flash. You are out of the turbonetics warranty period and need another ecu with reflash. What would you do in this situation? I guess I am just surprised that this issue has not come up sooner. Maybe this gives the TN guys something to think about, and if that is the case I am happy to have surfaced this issue.

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

I was not 100% in the loop on what 35ounces was charged but I believe the flash he was charged for was the costs Nissan charged Turbonetics to flash the factory program to his new ECU.

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

I'm not going to argue with people on this. I don't have the data on how exactly they come up with costs of everything and they above was my "theory" but the last part of my thread remains true. Turbonetics doens't perform sales to the public of any kind and I think that was Reggie's point. I was not 100% in the loop on what 35ounces was charged but I believe the flash he was charged for was the costs Nissan charged Turbonetics to flash the factory program to his new ECU. Again I'm not looking to fight or argue about anything and I'm sure if Turboentics could take his money and do the flash they would. As for the overboost pipes I'll ask as well...

Originally Posted by 35ounces

Maybe. It was so long ago now that I wouldn't want to argue that was not the case...plus it is certainly possible that the charge was miscommunicated to me back then.

Originally Posted by CarlosZ

So is Turbonetics willing to help this guy or does he have to buy a new kit from them?