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Old May 9, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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Ok, so I'm finalizing things and deciding what all I want to have done and when and here's what has me stumped.

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1. Should I drop the cash in for the built motor and the turbo all at once and do it right or do a little at a time?


2. Since I'm not reall concerned about the warranty what kind of break in period should I consider before I rebuild my block and ad the turbo? I'v got a driver who works for my dad who says when ever I get the car and I get him a loading dock he'll deliver the car so that was the best news heard today.

The day is almost here to build the dream machine and I can't wait. everyone keeps sayin "spend that 60 grand on a porsche?" I'd rather spend it on something that i'v fallen in love with and can build to beat that porsche
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Old May 9, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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do it right !!! If you have the financial means Why not?
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Old May 9, 2006 | 03:52 PM
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I'll be happy to help you in the builtmotor department

much less expensive in the longrun to do the buildup from the get-go... the odds are not in your favor for running boost on a stock vq for very long (and when you blow it, that is an additional 2k to swap motors..and another 2.5k for a new longblock-chances are you'll put a hole in yours and damage at least one of the heads)

see, I just saved you over 4k to do a builtmotor

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Old May 9, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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how many miles should i put on the car before i boost it?
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Old May 9, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by abyss
how many miles should i put on the car before i boost it?
this is a very open question that will gather several different opinions...

the rings will seat within the first hundred miles or so...if you want to be on the safe side, go with a built motor (i explained why in my earlier post)

if you want to learn the hard way, put 500 miles on the stock motor, then boost it...



...but unfortunately 6 days to 6months to a year later, you'll have to get another motor (that will cost you an additional 4.5k[see above rationale ])

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Old May 10, 2006 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
this is a very open question that will gather several different opinions...

the rings will seat within the first hundred miles or so...if you want to be on the safe side, go with a built motor (i explained why in my earlier post)

if you want to learn the hard way, put 500 miles on the stock motor, then boost it...



...but unfortunately 6 days to 6months to a year later, you'll have to get another motor (that will cost you an additional 4.5k[see above rationale ])

-TODD
would it hurt anything if i shipped it straight from the dealer to the shop and had the motor rebuilt and boosted? (my above post was worded wrong.) I dunno what all is replaced in the engine build so i was wondering if there is anything that needs broke in before I have this put on. I'm a newbie in this department, last vehicle we boosted wasn't boosted till it had 60k miles on it.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by abyss
would it hurt anything if i shipped it straight from the dealer to the shop and had the motor rebuilt and boosted? (my above post was worded wrong.) I dunno what all is replaced in the engine build so i was wondering if there is anything that needs broke in before I have this put on. I'm a newbie in this department, last vehicle we boosted wasn't boosted till it had 60k miles on it.
some may argue a benefit in heat cycling the motor before rebuilding it...we rebuild used cores (that have obviously gone through this process)...

shouldn't be a problem building it from the get-go

- I would put the brand new motor up for sale (you could actually get something for it being that it is brand new)..then buy a rebuilt motor for F/I
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Old May 10, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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Go for it now if it's withing your budget!
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Old May 10, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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Why is everybody telling him to rebuild his motor right away when he didn't even mention his hp goal? Is your goal to have a 400whp car or were you planning on going for a lot more power than that? If you're staying at 400hp then I wouldn't spend the money on a built motor. Not to knock anybody on this board but I have been reading the posts on here for years and I remember a lot of people's names. It seems that people who knew little to nothing about FI and have blown their motors many times, are all of a sudden trying to make a buck by starting their own business selling parts or building motors. This is not a stab to anybody who posted on this threat so please don't take this as a personal attack. I'm talking in general. So back on topic, I would not spend the money building your motor for 400whp if that's where you'd be happy with. If you want to go ***** out then I'm sure Todd can help you out as he has already stated. He's been through it all already. Good luck.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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I've wondered the same thing, for me i know that dumping a bunch of money into my engine and turbo is going to run me tight, to the point i will be out of luck if i run into trouble. so i'm starting backwards and i'm doing a lot of homework on what i need vs what i want vs value reliability. I'm starting off with all the feul mgmt stuff and my guages and pretty much anything i might want to buy after i would have normally picked up my turbo. after i've got all these goodies then i will start picking up my engine parts, and finally the turbo. This process will let me buy in increments and it will allow me more time to research and decide which parts i really want to put on my car.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kjbalto
Why is everybody telling him to rebuild his motor right away when he didn't even mention his hp goal? Is your goal to have a 400whp car or were you planning on going for a lot more power than that? If you're staying at 400hp then I wouldn't spend the money on a built motor. .

Several people have blown motors with less than 400rwhp...
tuning is a huge factor here, IMO, if going with forced induction on a vq35, if you ever plan to turn up the power (we all do, admit it), do it right the first time, build the motor.

been there, done that,
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Old May 10, 2006 | 01:22 PM
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If money is no object, you are looking for 500whp+, then I'd do it all at once.

The fact, unfortunately, is that a typical FI turbo system, with all the safety extras, gauges, tuning, install, is going to run you about $11,000 right off the bat. With a solid and conservative tune, you can run 400whp all day long without any issues.

It depends on your budget and your power goals.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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Aight, I'll do it all at once then. I'm looking for anywhere from 500-600whp but was mainly concerned if i needed to break my motor/tranny in 1st before I do all this or if I could put it on the truck straight from the dealer. and here is my last question that is kinda dumb...can the boost level be changed from in the car? such as being able to use low boost while its being my daily driver but turn it up at the track? (yes I'm an extreme newbie in this department . )
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Old May 10, 2006 | 02:32 PM
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Yes, with an in-cabin boost controller, you can adjust the boost from inside the car. You will need to run two maps in order to safely run two boost levels. Not an issue.

We've love to do the work on your brand new car. I would kill to turn wrenches without getting dirty!
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Old May 10, 2006 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Yes, with an in-cabin boost controller, you can adjust the boost from inside the car. You will need to run two maps in order to safely run two boost levels. Not an issue.

We've love to do the work on your brand new car. I would kill to turn wrenches without getting dirty!
lol, thanks. thats the info I'v wanted to hear. I'v got the $$ set aside for the mods and expecting my check for the car within the next 2 weeks if my lawyer does his job.
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Why buy a brand new car just to take the motor out, put new wheels on, change the spoiler, wing and front bumper? Why not sink that money into a used 350z and be $10-20k better off. I've been down that road. Hell, my car started off as a leased car now look at it. 350zDCalb has a great car for sale and the headaches have been taken out of it(sleeved, fcon, wheels, etc.) Hell if you don't like his car, I have a fully built sleeved motor if you prefer the G35 Coupe body. I love having a new car as much as the next guy but when you are going to rip it apart, why do you need it new? Reguardless, good luck in your venture.
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Maybe he likes the new revup motor, and the 2006 visual enhancements.

Abyss when you are ready, we can arrange to have your car transported here, transformed into a supercar, and then transported back. PM me if you would like more details on this.
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Why buy a brand new car just to take the motor out, put new wheels on, change the spoiler, wing and front bumper? Why not sink that money into a used 350z and be $10-20k better off. I've been down that road. Hell, my car started off as a leased car now look at it. 350zDCalb has a great car for sale and the headaches have been taken out of it(sleeved, fcon, wheels, etc.) Hell if you don't like his car, I have a fully built sleeved motor if you prefer the G35 Coupe body. I love having a new car as much as the next guy but when you are going to rip it apart, why do you need it new? Reguardless, good luck in your venture.
ya, what he said
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/189374-thinking-about-keeping-it-pics.html

I had convinced myself to keep this car, but pm me if you are interested

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Old May 10, 2006 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by theking
Why buy a brand new car just to take the motor out, put new wheels on, change the spoiler, wing and front bumper? Why not sink that money into a used 350z and be $10-20k better off. I've been down that road. Hell, my car started off as a leased car now look at it. 350zDCalb has a great car for sale and the headaches have been taken out of it(sleeved, fcon, wheels, etc.) Hell if you don't like his car, I have a fully built sleeved motor if you prefer the G35 Coupe body. I love having a new car as much as the next guy but when you are going to rip it apart, why do you need it new? Reguardless, good luck in your venture.
Because there were a few things added in 06 that I like and finding a used sportscar in good condition is quite hard these days. Hell, if I found a used 04 or 05 that was in great shape I'd prolly jump on it, but the ones I'v seen around here where I live so far haven't been taken care of.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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Well the decision was finally made today after meeting up with my dad and my uncle for a few runs with my dads 06 Z06 and my uncles Cobra which they do to releive their stress from the work week and we talked it over and they said wait a while and enjoy the car stock before I give it steroids so I will wait a while and give her some runs at the track so I have some comparable times as well. Glad I finally had a chance to get together with them and discuss this again since they are wanting me to build a car to go to the track with them and I want to show them what some japaneese muscle can do since they keep talking **** saying I'm buying a car built in a rice patty field.
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