-EL

Almost any of the turbo kits on the market can get you to the 400hp mark with far more torque than the 360 Modena. The expensive part is getting the Z to handle like a mid engine, low center of gravity Ferrari. By race track I'm going to assume you mean road-racing and not drag racing. Figure 10k to buy, install, and tune a turbo kit. Figure another 15K-20K in brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, and weight reduction to beat the Ferrari in the corners. Just my guess/opinion.

-E

sentry65

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If a C5 corvette Z06 can give a 360 modena a her money, then a 350Z with FI and a slew of suspension mods and decent tires can do the same. There isn't any magic at work here. Being a midengine car has it's pros and cons with handling. It isn't 100% better in all situations

Ferrari 360:
0-60 = 4.2-4.3 sec
0-100 = 10.2 sec
1/4 mile = 12.6-12.8@112mph
60-0 braking: 110ft
lateral G's: .96g
curb weight: 3065 lbs

out of a 3.586 liter V8
400hp@8500
275 tq@4750

it's tires are not that big.
215 front
275 rear


you will have a hard time getting a FI Z down to around 3065 lbs and keeping the car street legal or safe without a rollcage or helmet, but you can get 285 front tires and 315 rear tires on a Z.

bigbri's car is proof that you can even set a Z up to rev to 8000 rpms

the 360 is a nice car, but the Z has a lot of people working on modding them and there's a lot of potential to turn a Z into a car that'd have no problem killing a 360. Hell my car (see full mod list) I'm confident could take down a Ferrari 360 in just about every catagory except prestige and subjectively about looks

mraturbo

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Send the Money and you will get what you are asking for...

If you can't drive her that is another story...We can give you driving lessons. Won't be the first time.

ALL GOOD...We are all on the same page...A 350 Z is No Ferrari yet we can build one to compete on the road race track that is for sure and for your targetted budget.

M

USED

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. . . .same driver in both cars, $20G budgeted upgrades (including labor) for the Z/G vs. a 360 (w/ race tires & pads) for 20 hot laps. Which car would come out on top?

TiPIACE

its amazing that Ferrari's now superceeded entry level sportscar is only a few tenths slower across the 1/4 and 100hp down compared to the Z06 with twice the capacity engine (114hp/L vs 72hp/L)

come on guys when you realise pushrods just dont work

Blake350z

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I put about 8 car lengths on one on the freeway from 40mph-160mph. APS ST Here 406/420.

Navygolf13

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Don't worry I am not taking any of this as a personal attaack and I do not believe MrA is either. I think your facts may be a little skewed. I personally ahve seen cars Z's and G's that peeople have spent somewhere between 20 and 30k and they ROCK!!! Just because other shops are not building the kind of cars we are talking about for the $$ doesn't mean it cant be done.

Like I said this forum is great for this everyone gets to read what others are doing and from my experience for a daily driven/track car I have not seen anything I like as much as my Z and MrA's G. I know I am a little biased, but I drive it everyday right now and I LOVE it!!!!

I think facts will prevail and I think you would be surprised by what these cars can do. But, you are right driver is VERY important and you have to compare the cars with the same driver. I would love to see the 20 hot laps between these cars and I will put my money on the VRT car.

sentry65

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well make no mistake the Z06 is a low 12/high 11's car for most drivers and the gearing on the Z06 is very weak compared to the 360 modena or 430. It also revs to 7000 vs 8500

the 360 is about dead even with a C6 if not a little slower. It traded low end torque for higher reving. You can't rev a 6 liter engine as high as a 3.6 liter engine usually. Another thing is the 360 has cams to deal with the high revs at the expense of low torque.

A vette launches off the line really well because of how much torque it has. A 360 launches off the line well due to the weight being over the rear tires and the more aggressive gearing

pushrods work just fine.

if the vette's engine was in the rear and used shorter gearing to with the additional traction, it'd probably gain a few tenths in the 1/4 mile

sentry65

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here's a 360 modena dyno on a dyno dynamics dyno

add roughly 10-11% to get equivelent dynojet numbers
so about 344whp and 250 wtq on a dynojet

USED

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I own a 600 + HP 350z myself. I probably have $30 to $40G into it after the cost of the car. It's awesome! The 360 would tuck its tail. There's no doubt. I know the car is very competent. The Nissan FM platform is great. For 1/2 the money of the modena, you could make the 360 look silly on the track. This whole discussion is based on if the car could "beat" a 360 with a budget of $20G. With a good driver, $20G could probably just squeeze you by. You even said your self "....20 to 30k....". I know it could be accomplished on $30G, but $30G is a lot more than $20G.

Peace

iceburns288

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I still don't get who even cares.

yell03

With 3 pages of replies obviously some people do!

Howard

mraturbo

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I am just stoked we can even have these discussions...350Z compete with a stock Ferrari 360?

So let me get this straight, with $20k, I can't build a 350Z that can compete with a 360 on a road racetrack for 20 laps. Same Driver or you and I get to pick the driver or what?

Where do we sign up..?

Have built 10 with this spec this year...JWT TT...Non-Built...Upgraded...brakes...Cams... and suspension, Rays wheels.

Bring the Ferrari and I will bring the Z with the mods and the invoices to prove it is ONLY $20k in modifications.

How much $$$ is on the line??? BTW, for $30k I can build you an 800 WHP car so this is easy...Am working on 3 with this spec right now!

Sounds fun. WHEN?

Look, not trying to be COCKY, yet watch our videos, we meet up with these cars every weekend with very competent drivers.

Now if you where asking me to build a car to compete with a New Z06 on slicks for a max mod of $20k, I would probably say...It's Cool. Yet a Stock 360, let's go?

I will bring the press like Sports Compact or Nissan Sport...

WHEN? I LOVE THIS SORT OF Sh....

M

TiPIACE

seriously, sure you can spend 20-30K on your Z's engine and get a bullet proof 500+hp, but after spending up to 60K on the car, at the end of the day its still a f'ing Nissan

im sure the Ferrari owner is worried that his 360/430 is slightly slower than a fully rebuilt Nissan on the highway when everyone is sticking their heads out of moving cars to get a look at it and the ladies do double takes to throw their knickers in front of him

even if i had a 1000hp GTR, i still wouldnt get the same level of driving satisfaction and pleasure as popping the scissor door on our Murci, and churning that V12 over

Fast japs vs euro supercars, two completely different class of cars

sentry65

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the technology difference is nice, and supercars have their own unique feel because of that and you can't put a pricetag on prestige - well you can and ferrari etc do and it's a big price tag.

but at the end of the day you buy a car to enjoy something or everything about what it is and what it can do.

To have a Z for $60k that performs better than it in every possible measurable performance catagory, I have to ask myself if I'd get $90k worth of enjoyment out of the other things the ferrari offers like the looks, brand name, feel, etc.

and my answer is hell no

I can think of a lot of cool things to do with $90k that I'd get far more enjoyment out of than all that other stuff the ferrari name comes with. Of course I'd love to have all that stuff... if I wasn't paying for it. Obviously I'm not enough of a millionare to think $150k is worth spending on a car that I'd drive around in so others think I'm some sort of upper class bad ***.

CESAROTORRES

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Faster or Slower who cares! The F360 is a superior car on every aspect even as a PANTIES collector . I will rather have 70,000 dollars invested on the F360 than on the Z.

Cesar
I will have panties on every color from every nationality

mraturbo

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You are correct without debate for having your opinions about driving sensation.

Driving Sensation. I am not sure, 160 MPH on a racetrack is still 160 MPH if the car is prepared to perform at that level. It just does and needs to feel right. Too much at stake if it isn't. We build them to perform at that level.

No Hype, just the truth.

However, how many folks do you know have $100k plus to spend on a car...???

Any? How many Exotic car owners do you know?

Hell Porsche owners get in my G35C every week and can't believe how nice it is, and when I step on the gas, WOW...Eyes peeling back...

Did they EVER consider a G35 or a Z Roadster before they bought their Carrera or their Wife's M3, HELL NO...Didn't even think twice. Not even on the Porsche, or Exotic, or Beemer owner's radar

I tried to trade my wife’s BMW for a M35 and she thought she was stepping down into the ghetto. Are you kidding...Sure the car is quality, yet it is 60 years of heritage and marketing that is embedded in our brains.

AND TRUST ME, the Ferrari or Porsche, Lambo, or Z06 owner that gets passed by our VRT Nissan's does give a damn; otherwise they wouldn't come by at the track scratching their heads.

"Wow, That car can't be stock??? Is it...”

I have owned a variety of sports cars that in their stock form demolish a Z or G35C, yet, for some reason I always picked up the keys to my modded Z Roadster or G35C before the Euro or Z06.

Honestly folks, you are driving classic cars in the Z and G. Not cause they are going to be worth $$$ millions 20 years from now, cause they truly have the bones and heart that can be modified to compete at all levels of performance for a reasonable budget.

A Reasonable Budget...

Is your stock M3 that gets passed by my modded G35 better because it is European or cost $60k+. In my opinion no.

You would be surprised that if you have the choices like a Z06s, BMWs, Z Roadster, or G35c, which car do you pick TODAY.

I seem to constantly pick the Nissans over the rest for some reason. Maybe I am stupid, yet this is the truth. Now I only have one Nissan to choose from, My G35C for I sold the Z recently. I am not interested in getting rid of my G35C.

M

CESAROTORRES

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Now here is somebody that has both cars and one if for was for sale at e-bay.

350Z 500hp Twin Turbo Aerosmith Joey Kramer's Car

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...ayphotohosting

Cesar

Roadstar

any pictures of your garage?
and btw, what numbers does your SL55 tweaked dyno at?

mraturbo

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Sounds fun.

Pictures?

M