YES, I did a search... for 4 days now... and it still not easy and maybe harder...!!!


and please no war between the fans of this two very nice kit... APS ST and TN ST... just talk me about your experience and your kit...

every one is a winner when you are happy with your setup... that it...!

And I want to be happy too

I just whant to speak with about the info that I found here and on other forums...

I'm also considering the Vortech... very nice kit too...

It's a very hard choice, I can tell you this...

here is my goals...

1- Bolt on ! I must be able to install it myself in my garage...
2- VERY SAFE OUT IF THE BOX !!! realy don't want to blow my engine !
3- zero tuning, or minimal...like fews run on a dyno... don't want to buy extra fuel management...for this year...
4- give some good WHP and trq, like 350 - 400... OUT OF THE BOX !


What I found, until now, is the TN ST kit is the most nice kit around, very nice to look... and, I think, it is very easy to install !

BUT ! the problem it is the reflasher ECU...is it very reliable?
I will ride my Z between 0C and 40C... so, how a reflached ECU will work with this ? I don't want to go with the tuner kit... like I said, I want it safe, out of the box ! and I'm afraid to go with the reflashed ECU option...
I would like to have some feedback from some peoples that are running the TN ST stage one out of the box ? any probs ? any blow engines ? comments ? many people run the TN ST stage 1 out of the box without any issues ?

Yes I know, TN have the best service around, but, if I blow my engine, do they will replace it ?

now, what about the APS... it is more hard to find data on this kit and feedbacks... but what I found for now is good except for the actuator...that causing the boost to fluctuate and loose some boost at the top end... but the good news is that can't cause your engine to blow and it is easy to fix with a forged actuator... for now, I never heard about a APS ST that blown a engine... if yes, please let me know...

I think APS ST and TN ST produce the same whp and trq... is there any dyno plots around here that is comparing the TN ST, the APS ST and the Vortech on 350z with the same setup or almost the same ?

Anb Finally, the Vortech ! I heard some complaining about the maintenantce... and belts slipping and broking... but never saw a Vortech kit, out of the box blow a engine... produce about the same hp, but later... according to what I red, vortech is a very good kit, but more maintenance and hp is coming later... less trq... again, please if you have some dyno charts to share, please do it...

and Again, please, just speak about your kit...or what you know without any bashing...please... we are all adults here... I think it is possible to have all our opinions in the respect of the others...

thanks to take some time to share with me your experience and your knowledge... and sorry for my bad english... it is not my first language...

 

Other people are gonna hate this thread, but its the season for giving haha.

stillen supercharger stage 2 is the safest, has a warranty on the engine and very easy to install.

Turbonetics- easy to install decent power 370-400+ depends on supporting mods - reflash is crap.

All twin turbo kits are hard installs, also need more than kit requires.

Procharge is also very easy to install, very reliable power, linear.

 

TN w/ utec....
simple, safe, reliable

 

+1

 

again.. for the 500th time:

out of the box?

TN ST, APS ST, APS TT, Vortech, Stillen, JWT TT, PE TT... all except greddy are fine out the box..

TN ST and APS TT will give the most out of the box power... out of the box is fine.. but its like fcking ****** without condoms... sooner or later its going to kill you

 

if you want out of the box, with your weather I wouldnt go with the TN kit. If your gonna run the reflash, the problem with this kit is when its cold it has a very large tendency to overboost, EVEN with the overboost pipe. If I were you I would go with the vortech supercharger, since you dont want crazy hp and dont want to do a built motor. The vortech is reliable, but maintenance isnt as bad as you think.

 

The Procharger...is far from safe with out some type of timing control , there have been alot of motors hurt because of it .

 

^ really? i was told that their power response was amazing?

 

The power has nothing to di with it . The Procharger is unsafe to run straight out of the box . It needs some type of timing control to be safe

 

two of my friends blown their G35 with prochargers... bad timming... maybe their fault, but I wont go this way....

yes, reliable, maybe TN ST with UTECH... hummmm... but the kit is getting more complicated and more $$$

yes, for sure, the Vortech, out of the box is very safe, as I saw on many threads... and considering our weather here... maybe a good choice...

and what about the APS... ST out of the box... I heard very good things about this kit... maybe except for actuator... ? any APS ST guy here ? feedback out of the box ?
but this kit is very sleeper under the hood... I don't like this ! I would like to show what I got under the hood !.... but again, my goal is reliability... over anything...

buy the way, thanks again for you help and your time... and if some people hate this thread...there are plenty of threads on this forum to read....

and please... in respect... this is the key...

 

Yup procharger is DEF not the way to go, aps Im sure is a great kit but it just seems like your needs are more towards the vortech to be honest. Its a great kit, cheap and reliable and is def making good power on most cars.

 

From what ive heard though, it doesnt make anywhere near the low down torque as ANY of the turbo kits, and for that, its not too hot. . .

Jamie

 

Dude, if you want to show off your car is fast, work on your bodykits... In fact I like that my engine bay looks stock. I rather have competitions find out that I'm fast when I smoke them during a race. After I smoke them they will look at your engine bay with an awe no matter how it looks like...

I didn't touch the unichip mapping from the factory, which means it has a super safe mapping, and it's producing ~380whp. It's pretty cold where I live below 0C and no problem. My car is a daily driver and I drag, drift and drive at the track regularly. I have 7000 hard driven miles with APS ST.

 

Why dont you want a tune? I would tune for best mpg, hp, engine longevity.. IMO

I have a procharger, I love it, wouldnt change it for the world. I did get a great tune with the UTEC, advance timing, etc.. I feel massive power with it at 9psi. This is my experience IMHO great kit and love the supercharger sound.

Also OP, since you live in Quebec, you would be close to TAPP auto(Chris Tapp), not the best customer service but he knows his stuff tuning wise.

 

hummm....

can we say that the APS ST is reliable as the Vortech out of the box ?

as I saw, they are boths in the same price rate... but according to the dyno charts, yes they will produce the same whp top end, but when you look the curves, the turbo kit is producing trq very sooner.... and also hp...

I do not deny Vortech here ! I'm just looking some facts ! one of my friend have a Vortech and NO troubles !

at this point I'm between those two kits...

here what I found...

let me try this...

 

Might want to do a search on the APS single turbo . Could be some issues with it

 

I did, and the only thing I found for know, is boot dropping according to the actuator... if you know something about this kit, please share it with us...

the feedbacks about this kit are very rare...

 

PE TT kit, stock boost, no tuning, no reflash, safe on my Z (your mileage may vary), approx 350 WHP on Mustang AWD dyno. May be a bear to install yourself, don't know, I paid to have it installed. Adds fuel pump, fuel pressure reg, 380cc injectors, nice intercooler, etc. Reflash to go to next stage boost from Technosquare, gets you to about 380 or so WHP.

I researched a lot before going without the reflash, still, many on here said it must be tuned, I would blow the engine, etc, however, Technosquare, PE and installer all said no, they were right, very safe at stock boost for me (about 4.8 psi).

 

Muahahhaa, agreed

When first looking at Superchargers/Turbo kits I took installing on my own into serious consideration (even though I ended up taking to a shop since at the time I was not going to be able to do it in time for a meet), and when looking at the install directions... The Turbonetics seemed the most simple to install with the most down the road upgradable benefit, only install concerns were the drilling of the upper oil pan (though you can buy the AAM oil pan spacer with their steal braided oil return line so no drilling since the spacer is already tapped) for the oil return, and the Turbonetics heat wrapped A/C line that needs to be replaced.

Just a couple of sites where you can check out the install directions.

www.turbonetics.com
www.airpowerstystems.com
www.greddy.com
www.stillen.com

 

yes TN ST is a very nice kit a the greatest service !!! but how the reflashed ECU will deal with the 40C diff temp that we have here ?

I think I should speak with technosquare about my concerns...but I don't think, OUT OF THE BOX, the TN ST is the safiest kit for now... but yes maybe with some UTEC and fuel mod it will be the best...but for now, I'm looking for a safe kit out of the box... please if I'm wrong, tell me...

still only one feedback from APS ST out of the box owner... any more ?

safe out of the box ?

for sure, Vortech is safe.... out of the box... but I like the low torque of the ST kit....

by the way, Happy new year to all of you ! and thank you for helping me to take this very hard decision... I appreciated !