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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 07:43 AM
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What was I thinking, 10f = -8c (see previous post), must be the pain killers.
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by twodown
I got an 03 G35 sedan 6mt with 36k miles. In Dec. 05 I did a self install of a TN ST, at the time the car had 28k miles. the only items on the engine not "out of the box" are amsoil twin filter and a cooling mist single stage water/meth injector. I live in Rochester, NY so the temps are similar to Quebec.

I've never dynoed my car, there are no dynos in Roch. and there are no adjustments to make on the mixture except to send the ECU back for a re-reflash. if it was going to blow it would have on day one, I beat the crap out of it and it has skipped a beat.

As far as cold temps, here is the equation ( 10f ( or in your case 2c ) + cold tires + cold pavement = wheel spin in 3rd gear ) I only do it now to scare my buddy.

hope this helps
thanks for your post !

now, if I read correctly, you are telling me that you are running a TN ST stage one kit with reflashed ECU ONLY ! without any issues ? is it exact ?

do you have any others mods on your car ?

are you happy with your kit ? feedback ?

thank you again !
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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yes, yes, yes, 1/2" spacer, amsoil twin filter, cooling mist water injector, yes and fast
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JCstart
Hey, do me a fever, if you don't like the disscussion here and if you don't have the mind level to discuss with us in repect... there are plenty of threads on this forum...
You can't expect the result that other people got and believe that you'll have the same fate MIAPLAYA may have gotten 50K out of a reflash and at the same time Alberto got 3K miles with UTEC but the bottom line is that Engine are not the same. Some may last longer and some don't, so you can whine all you want and if you're not willing to go the extra mile to just make sure everything is safe then it is your car and your money.

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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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You can't expect the result that other people got and believe that you'll have the same fate MIAPLAYA may have gotten 50K out of a reflash and at the same time Alberto got 3K miles with UTEC but the bottom line is that Engine are not the same. Some may last longer and some don't, so you can whine all you want and if you're not willing to go the extra mile to just make sure everything is safe then it is your car and your money.

true that.
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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by athenG
You can't expect the result that other people got and believe that you'll have the same fate MIAPLAYA may have gotten 50K out of a reflash and at the same time Alberto got 3K miles with UTEC but the bottom line is that Engine are not the same. Some may last longer and some don't, so you can whine all you want and if you're not willing to go the extra mile to just make sure everything is safe then it is your car and your money.

You're also not factoring in the condition and the driving style though. While I flog my car quite frequently I have never power shifted the way Alberto does. I've tracked my car and beat on it each and every day but I'm not at the 1/4 mile strip weekly (mainly because there aren't any closer than 2 hours away). Anyone who knows me knows that I rail the crap out of my car every chance I get. But there are other factors as you said. Condition of the motor pre-install, tolerances during assembly, etc.
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Originally Posted by twodown
I got an 03 G35 sedan 6mt with 36k miles. In Dec. 05 I did a self install of a TN ST, at the time the car had 28k miles. the only items on the engine not "out of the box" are amsoil twin filter and a cooling mist single stage water/meth injector. I live in Rochester, NY so the temps are similar to Quebec.

I've never dynoed my car, there are no dynos in Roch. and there are no adjustments to make on the mixture except to send the ECU back for a re-reflash. if it was going to blow it would have on day one, I beat the crap out of it and it has skipped a beat.

As far as cold temps, here is the equation ( 10f ( or in your case 2c ) + cold tires + cold pavement = wheel spin in 3rd gear ) I only do it now to scare my buddy.

hope this helps
Water/meth injection is a pretty significant addition to the kit. If fuel trims or timing were off, the W/M injection could be keeping your car from blowing. Not saying that it is, but water/meth can keep temps down and greatly reduce detonation
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 03:32 AM
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where can we have the best price for APS St and TN ST around here ?

I have a buyer for my down pipes and cat back... it seem that I will go APS...
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JCstart
where can we have the best price for APS St and TN ST around here ?

I have a buyer for my down pipes and cat back... it seem that I will go APS...
If I were you I'd get it from one of the APS authorized dealers such as Japtrixx or MRC (I think). They are vendors here. A lot of APS fans like to deal directly with GRD, since they seem to have a direct hand in APS's back pocket. If I were you I'd go with GRD for that reason solely.....
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You can try Forged Performance (Sharif), www.theexperience.com (Performance Motorsports), www.gspec.com (Greg Vogel), or any of the other Turbonetics vendors...
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 08:55 AM
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If I were you I'd get it from one of the APS authorized dealers such as Japtrixx or MRC (I think). They are vendors here. A lot of APS fans like to deal directly with GRD, since they seem to have a direct hand in APS's back pocket. If I were you I'd go with GRD for that reason solely.....

I would buy from GRD. Call Irshad and tell him you want a good deal on the kit
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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I would buy from GRD. Call Irshad and tell him you want a good deal on the kit
+1 on GRD.

Tell him the APS boys from my350z sent you. LOL!
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question ! TN ST stage 1 with UTEC or UNISHIP... what do you think ?

is it the good way ? or APS ?

UPS use UTEC ? what is the diff ? more detais between those two item...

UTEC safer I think...no ?

and, the complet kit APS ST, part number, is it Model: APS-STS08 ? just for sure...

thanks !

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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JCstart
question ! TN ST stage 1 with UTEC or UNISHIP... what do you think ?

is it the good way ? or APS ?

UPS use UTEC ? what is the diff ? more detais between those two item...

UTEC safer I think...no ?

and, the complet kit APS ST, part number, is it Model: APS-STS08 ? just for sure...

thanks !

hahah a lot of this question woudl have been answered with 5 minutes of serach time....

UTEC is the best of the ECUs currently out there without being a 5,000$ standalone monster
TN with utec woudl be the way to fo definatly... a good looking kit with excellent reponse and reliability... depending on the tune...

i woudl suggest get TN tunner, 440cc injectors, walbro fuelpump and utec ..
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JCstart
question ! TN ST stage 1 with UTEC or UNISHIP... what do you think ?

is it the good way ? or APS ?

UPS use UTEC ? what is the diff ? more detais between those two item...

UTEC safer I think...no ?

and, the complet kit APS ST, part number, is it Model: APS-STS08 ? just for sure...

thanks !
Even if you go with the TN and utec combo, you will need custom tuning done. The Utec alone does not even put the TN setup on parallel ground with the APS. It is just flat out lacking too much.

If you are looking for out of box with proper fuel, timing, and boost control with proper a fuel system etc, APS is the way to go. APS comes with a safe out of box tune, but still has the capability to be custom tuned.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
hahah a lot of this question woudl have been answered with 5 minutes of serach time....

UTEC is the best of the ECUs currently out there without being a 5,000$ standalone monster
TN with utec woudl be the way to fo definatly... a good looking kit with excellent reponse and reliability... depending on the tune...

Just an FYI A fully decked out Fcon is just over 3 grand. Still, the utec offers great control at a bargain price

i woudl suggest get TN tunner, 440cc injectors, walbro fuelpump and utec ..
Even with that, you are still not running a fuel return system, still need to add boost control, a baffled oil pan or at least a oil pan spacer, and will still be crippled by small piping due to design of the kit.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 11:11 PM
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WHY woudl you wanna play raising the stock boost with a BCS???
sure...turn i it to 9 psi 10 psi 11 psi and then blow the block

and fUEL return is not needed for 350-415 whp which is about the max on the stock block.
Oil pan spacer is not needed also..just an added enhacement.
THe piping of the turbo kit is perfect of the stock boost levels... piping becomes restrictive after 435 whp which is pushing it on the stock block anyways...so dont bash there the piping is perfect for what it was designed for...
i you are too bias to the aps then dont comment to make this another of the 100000000s threads of aps vs turbonetics

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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
and fUEL return is not needed for 350-415 whp which is about the max on the stock block.
a condom isn't needed during sex either
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a condom isn't needed during sex either
true statement
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
WHY woudl you wanna play raising the stock boost with a BCS???
sure...turn i it to 9 psi 10 psi 11 psi and then blow the block

Not to turn up the boost, but to make sure your EMS is seeing boost and has control of boost pressure. IE overboosting problems with the TN setup and maf based reflash

and fUEL return is not needed for 350-415 whp which is about the max on the stock block.

You can run without a fuel return at 100+ hp over stock output if you like on a car built N/A. You may also pick up randoms at a scummy bar and have no problem taking a 6" dip without a rubber

Oil pan spacer is not needed also..just an added enhacement.

Exactly, an added plus that the TN doesn't include
THe piping of the turbo kit is perfect of the stock boost levels... piping becomes restrictive after 435 whp which is pushing it on the stock block anyways...so dont bash there the piping is perfect for what it was designed for...

Fine, I will bash it for the way it's routed. melted A/C lines, and basically no room to run larger piping in the future.

i you are too bias to the aps then dont comment to make this another of the 100000000s threads of aps vs turbonetics
Not biased bashed of the kit. Just stating the facts. If one is looking at the components of the kit, looking for the better setup out of box, one would be the fool to buy TN. So correct me if I am wrong, but the OP was looking for the safest out of box setup. Not the setup he could potentially just get by with.

TN is bolting a turbo on your car. APS is a true conversion to FI.

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