Called TN about Stage II
Originally Posted by doug
i love when MIA posts... he sounds like a researcher.. they aim their tests and results to suit them.. everything you have said about twins is the same exact thing about single turbo's... the fact is.. i don't care what fantasy turbo you come out with.. it will never out perform a twin setup.. even your new stage 2 kit will be out performed with the stock 18G Greddy Turbo's..
Originally Posted by Oleg
Just out of curiosity, can you make an real-life example of the thumper application?
Originally Posted by dank311
So, what are the characteristics of this Stage 2 supposed to be. Its been stated it should be in the 500-600hp range...my only worry is, how will the powerband be? Will it compare to the TT's, or even the stage 1 turbo as far as boost threshold, spool, and response?
My concern is HP/TQ #'s...its more about powerband to me.
My concern is HP/TQ #'s...its more about powerband to me.
Originally Posted by Oleg
Not likely.
And I am willing to bet that it will cost as much as a TT system capable of supporting 500-600whp.
And I am willing to bet that it will cost as much as a TT system capable of supporting 500-600whp.
this could be where Tn could mess up IMO by being greddy, but i hope they are all about the customer than jsut about business and put out a competitive price =]
Currently on a stock block the single turbo kit is about 1500$ cheaper and about 1000$ cheaper on install...i hope that they realize this is the main point on the single turbos and TN doesn't try to reduce that...
They fabricate all the part on their kit so they are making good money on the kits as it is
BUT i trust TN =] having robert and ed around here they really get to hear us....and the haters like doug too lol
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
this could be where Tn could mess up IMO by being greddy, but i hope they are all about the customer than jsut about business and put out a competitive price =]
Currently on a stock block the single turbo kit is about 1500$ cheaper and about 1000$ cheaper on install...i hope that they realize this is the main point on the single turbos and TN doesn't try to reduce that...
They fabricate all the part on their kit so they are making good money on the kits as it is
BUT i trust TN =] having robert and ed around here they really get to hear us....and the haters like doug too lol
Currently on a stock block the single turbo kit is about 1500$ cheaper and about 1000$ cheaper on install...i hope that they realize this is the main point on the single turbos and TN doesn't try to reduce that...
They fabricate all the part on their kit so they are making good money on the kits as it is
BUT i trust TN =] having robert and ed around here they really get to hear us....and the haters like doug too lol
So far they are making a killing on "stage one". Their turbo, wastegate, BOV, I/C, etc are all made inhouse, whereas most other companies have to spec it from mitsu, or garrett, or whatever, so no middleman spendings there. The reflash is much cheaper to do, rather then to throw in a piggyback unit into each kit. Once you mass produce the piping, it is very cost-effective in large production, and the TN sold how many kits by now, 500 give/take? The only components on this kit that they are not making themselves are the fuel pump and injectors (big whoop!). I am willing to make a bet that TN has the highest profit/spending ratio out of all the FI kit makers.
I don't expect the kit to be such a bargain once the Unichip Q, fuel return, etc are included. In will likely be in mid-6G range, easy, but that is close to the TT territory (of course I am talking MSRP here). I will be very pleasently surprised if I am wrong, though...
Rob, I mean no offence by this post, BTW.
I do tend to be slightly paranoid about these things. I thought that APS was discontinuing their ST at one point (when they dropped the price), and was fed a nice big bucket of crow.
Last edited by Oleg; Jan 17, 2007 at 10:07 PM.
Originally Posted by Oleg
Time will tell...
So far they are making a killing on "stage one". Their turbo, wastegate, BOV, I/C, etc are all made inhouse, whereas most other companies have to spec it from mitsu, or garrett, or whatever, so no middleman spendings there. The reflash is much cheaper to do, rather then to throw in a piggyback unit into each kit. Once you mass produce the piping, it is very cost-effective in large production, and the TN sold how many kits by now, 500 give/take? The only components on this kit that they are not making themselves are the fuel pump and injectors (big whoop!). I am willing to make a bet that TN has the highest profit/spending ratio out of all the FI kit makers.
I don't expect the kit to be such a bargain once the Unichip Q, fuel return, etc are included. In will likely be in mid-6G range, easy, but that is close to the TT territory (of course I am talking MSRP here). I will be very pleasently surprised if I am wrong, though...
Rob, I mean no offence by this post, BTW.
I do tend to be slightly paranoid about these things. I thought that APS was discontinuing their ST at one point, and was fed a nice big bucket of crow.
So far they are making a killing on "stage one". Their turbo, wastegate, BOV, I/C, etc are all made inhouse, whereas most other companies have to spec it from mitsu, or garrett, or whatever, so no middleman spendings there. The reflash is much cheaper to do, rather then to throw in a piggyback unit into each kit. Once you mass produce the piping, it is very cost-effective in large production, and the TN sold how many kits by now, 500 give/take? The only components on this kit that they are not making themselves are the fuel pump and injectors (big whoop!). I am willing to make a bet that TN has the highest profit/spending ratio out of all the FI kit makers.
I don't expect the kit to be such a bargain once the Unichip Q, fuel return, etc are included. In will likely be in mid-6G range, easy, but that is close to the TT territory (of course I am talking MSRP here). I will be very pleasently surprised if I am wrong, though...
Rob, I mean no offence by this post, BTW.
I do tend to be slightly paranoid about these things. I thought that APS was discontinuing their ST at one point, and was fed a nice big bucket of crow.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Well lets just say they don't make as much profit as you think. Just cause you can produce everything in house doesn't mean the cost of materials or labor is cheap...
Good luck on that MSRP.
And Oleg should stop posting between drinks and concetrate on entretaining his guests...
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
come on doug dont be such a hater and bias like that, you act like "i got the shizzel bezzel best turbo in the werld" attitude.... i think everybody realizes the power of tiwn turbos, but heck other platforms in other cars have been highly successfull with single turbos, no reason why with a lil more years in reserach the VQ can be there
But what use is a turbo with a high flow rate if it will never even get close to the potential? I understand that the turbo may produce high numbers, but the kit design wont allow it.
Last edited by IslandZavage; Jan 18, 2007 at 05:41 AM.
Originally Posted by IslandZavage
But what use is a turbo with a high flow rate if it will never even get close to the potential? I understand that the turbo may produce high numbers, but the kit design wont allow it.
Originally Posted by Oleg
Thanks for not flaming at least, I was bracing for the worst......
Good luck on that MSRP.
And Oleg should stop posting between drinks and concetrate on entretaining his guests...
Good luck on that MSRP.
And Oleg should stop posting between drinks and concetrate on entretaining his guests...
so far this is how conversations should go.....always there are a few morons that like to jsut rant away OT or create "best kit wars"
Originally Posted by Z PHAT Z
That's why TN hasn't release the Stage II. They still RD so that the kit will make good power thru out the powerband.
Then poor old MIA will go nuts.
Originally Posted by Oleg
I'm going to laugh my *** off if TN ends up coming through with a TT setup for high power...
Then poor old MIA will go nuts.
Then poor old MIA will go nuts.
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
so far this is how conversations should go.....always there are a few morons that like to jsut rant away OT or create "best kit wars"
that would be a cool idea.....use 2 of the stage 1 turbos mounted up high and upfront.
It would be killer!!!!!bug HP potential tOO!!!!!!!!! probably be cheaper than upgrading to a Stage 2 setup also.
It would be killer!!!!!bug HP potential tOO!!!!!!!!! probably be cheaper than upgrading to a Stage 2 setup also.
Originally Posted by IslandZavage
Why not? Has TN even toyed with the idea of a TT setup?
In most cases NOT ALL cases a larger turbo is more efficent than 2 smaller turbos. I agree that twins have a bigger visual impact however 2 smaller turbos when running are only getting half of the exhaust flow as opposed to a single unit. It comes down to which do you like apples or oranges.
Originally Posted by IslandZavage
Why not? Has TN even toyed with the idea of a TT setup?