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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by priscilla ls1
Nobody said that the Utec is better then the FCON you said the FCON is safer. I feel that they both can be just as safe if tuned properly.
Aparently he can read, maybe he will teach Alberto how to properly respond to someone in full context. and not read what they want to read...
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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simmer down there Tex..
Im just trying to prove a point that most consumers (perhaps not you) are led like sheep to purchase items that they will never utilize the full potential of, nor do they need. Im simply pointing out the fact that the trend now has gone from everyone needs an Emanage ultimate, to everyone needs a UTEC, to everyone now needs an Fcon pro. 2% of the builds on this board will ever reach the HP levels that the supra guys reached using the AEM unit over 6 years ago. It just amuses me how brainwashed members of this forum have become by their respective shops..Thats all. If you have the money the Fcon is an awsome unit, go for it..

This whole thing has gone further than I can contribute. I simply have what is considered to be one of the best setups for super high hp with the exception of possibly sleeves and cams (rev-up) and I don't want to chance it to anything less than what is considered to be the best. Period. You want to challenge me because you assume that I can't speak to why with specifics and you are correct. I am thoroughly embarrassed by this and will be forced to sell my car and leave these boards. Hahahahahahahhaha!
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
What in your own experience makes the UTEC even comparable to the FCON? Oh wait your not an FCON tuner so you wouldnt know...you sure like to get smart with people that can potentially feed your family, and you wonder why business is bad
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jokestrap
This whole thing has gone further than I can contribute. I simply have what is considered to be one of the best setups for super high hp with the exception of possibly sleeves and cams (rev-up) and I don't want to chance it to anything less than what is considered to be the best. Period. You want to challenge me because you assume that I can't speak to why with specifics and you are correct. I am thoroughly embarrassed by this and will be forced to sell my car and leave these boards. Hahahahahahahhaha!
Dude, who the fukc challenged you?I asked a simple question. Why are you so hostile towards me??
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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Julian your a d!ck, simple as that. Your ego is the only thing on you bigger than your a$$, if you were smart you wouldnt be such a d!ck to people on the boards, especially potential customers. I'll stop now, as we all know where this is going. Now go ahead and call me a troll or threaten to beat me up for the 4th time....if you want respect you have to show it yourself.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Julian your a d!ck, simple as that. Your ego is the only thing on you bigger than your a$$, if you were smart you wouldnt be such a d!ck to people on the boards, especially potential customers. I'll stop now, as we all know where this is going. Now go ahead and call me a troll or threaten to beat me up for the 4th time....if you want respect you have to show it yourself.
Please expound how I am being a d!ck by asking someone a simple question? I asked him what makes him think the Fcon is any SAFER thant a tuned UTEC< and if he had 1st hand knowledge..apparently he does have 1st hand knowledge.Its that simple.He responded 100% out of line towards me and so did you..

Where do you feel the need to insult me as usual on a topic you were not even a part of until I posted?Do you stalk me and await to flame me??
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Aparently he can read, maybe he will teach Alberto how to properly respond to someone in full context. and not read what they want to read...
So in this business better is not synonymous with safer? I really have a lot to learn cuz I most be all messed up with the way I think.

Safer doesn't=better? What? What in the world are you talking about man. Safe power is the business you are in not that I have to remind you of that.

Sheeesh.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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dems fighting werds
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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Guys, the shops will always recommend the best/most expensive stuff in their arsenal for two reasons:

1) If **** breaks down, you can't turn to them and accuse them of recommending inferior products.
2) To keep the money coming.

Over engineering and overbuilding is rampant in the FI section. I do realize that I am going to take flak for this one, since I am not even FI, but 90% of the FCON users are basically doing the automotive equivalent of having expencive plastic surgery to get a 12" *****, and the inserting it only the first 3" deep.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jokestrap
So in this business better is not synonymous with safer? I really have a lot to learn cuz I most be all messed up with the way I think.

Safer doesn't=better? What? What in the world are you talking about man. Safe power is the business you are in not that I have to remind you of that.

Sheeesh.
so answer the question... why do you feel the F-Con is Safer or as you put it.. better
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Please expound how I am being a d!ck by asking someone a simple question? I asked him what makes him think the Fcon is any SAFER thant a tuned UTEC< and if he had 1st hand knowledge..apparently he does have 1st hand knowledge.Its that simple.He responded 100% out of line towards me and so did you..

Where do you feel the need to insult me as usual on a topic you were not even a part of until I posted?Do you stalk me and await to flame me??

Yeah, you asked a rhetorical question assuming I didn't know the answer in an effort to embarrass me. You know that the FCON is safer which does = better but you challenged me on it because you felt like it. That is not what these boards are for.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jokestrap
So in this business better is not synonymous with safer? I really have a lot to learn cuz I most be all messed up with the way I think.

Safer doesn't=better? What? What in the world are you talking about man. Safe power is the business you are in not that I have to remind you of that.

Sheeesh.
Safer= conservative
And there is no 100% safe method when it comes to high HP performance vehicles.
If an engine managment is 100% capable of maintaining an perfect 11.3 A/F and rock solid timing advance day in and day out, whether it be the Emanage,Utec,Fcon or AEM.What makes one any better than the other?
There are different levels of processing speeds and resolution as well as features, that that seperates these units from one another and their quality.
However not everone needs this level to achieve their goals safely.
Once upon a time people ran 1000hp on Carburated engines with no fancy ECM's like we have now...
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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...your telling me i dont have to sleeve my engine and get beefer pistons because im getting a Fast Intentions Intimidator exhaust . NO FREAKING WAY.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
so answer the question... why do you feel the F-Con is Safer or as you put it.. better

Here we go again. Didn't I just explain that I can not explain with specificity, why the FCON is better, safer. We all know that it is. If most of the USMC uses a Colt M4 to protect their lives, would you ask them to explain why it is safer/better or in times of danger, would you just get one if you could afford it?

Stop it all ready cuz I have more.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Look guys it all depends on your goals for some the FCON is better for some the utec is better. From what I have read the Utec is cheaper and can support 600+hp if tuned properly and if your hp goals rest in that range. FCON is better for over 600+hp because it can support it better and differant things come into play at those levels that make it better at those HP levels. I see the Fcon as being not nessasary for the thread starter at this time for his goals becase a FCON is just as safe as a Utec with proper tuning at the 500-550hp level.

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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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You guys do realize that UCON actually is better right. Thats right im a fan. calm down , its like a war room in here lol.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Your response was hostile and you were bullying him. While he may not know as much about an FCON or even a UTEC as you, he doesnt need to be belittled, which is something I see you do a lot
#1) I was not bullying him...
#2) Your response was out right uncalled for, as usual..
#3) since when did you become the Robin Hood of MY350Z.COM??
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FCON is capable of many things a UTEC isnt. You say only 2% of the builds on the forums need it, I disagree, and so would many other vendors.
Once again, go back.....Stop your hatred and biased towards me for 15 seconds...and actually READ what I typed for a change..What I said was 2% of the builds on these boards will ever come close to what the Supra guys have already achieved 6 years ago using the AEM units..So plese tell me where that translates to what you just typed?
Irelivant but: the 2 fastes EVO's in the US are also running AEM's
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An engine management isnt specified by whp goals like you spoke about. UTEC is great but if the $$$ is there FCON is the way to go,the tuneability is worth it alone, higher resolution= smooth tune WOT AND cruising/part throttle,thats not something the UTEC can provide with even the best tuners in all weather coditions/boostlevels, I speak from experience.
Thats odd...My UTEC performs flawlessly at all RPM ranges and TP's.Perhaps its your tune.
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Not to mention the 2 step and flat shifting ability is great for people who drag race. We could go on and on but this has all been discussed to death....
These features also are on the UTEC FYI, just cause your tuner could not figure them out, cause their to busy trying to sell units that cost 3 times as much, dont hate on me..Seems like you have Fcon envy..
I never said the UTEC was superior to the FCON...NEVER ONCE..The Fcon is a great unit, I concurr...But remember, your equipment is only as good as the operator..I proved that on my 10 second thread.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Theres a reason the highest HP cars with the VQ have used the FCON and MOTEC.

Both offer more tunability from CAM phasing to FULL injector scalability.

The UTEC is great but lacks a few things for cars that need to run a safe
600WHP to 1800WHP.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EM-EFER
run a safe 600WHP to 1800WHP.
I think that that's the keyword...
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