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Old 04-06-2007 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sentry65
looks good booger! We'll all be curious to see what the final numbers end up at.
This kinda makes me more inclined to stick with the normal blower since I'd like to be able to rev to around 7000-7500 rpms with a built block - or at least have the headroom to do so. The T-trim sounds like it'd make 30 psi at 7500 rpms which is uh well a lot


The Haltech sounds like a great product, but seems like the first versions of these sorta things always have a million bugs

the Fcon has been around and been worked out for awhile now
the biggest reason for stopping where I did , was the SS box not being able to control above 16psi . Plus boost comes on so fast after 5500rpm.
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Is that rod on the jackshaft there to help prevent the premature wear on the jackshaft?
Its there to help keep the mounting plate from flexing . So is the outter plate you see
Old 04-06-2007 | 08:02 PM
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thanks Mia...I'll look into it . But if its only in MAF instead of MAP.....dont know .
It runs off of MAP...

Originally Posted by Haltech
Tuning via TPS with Manifold pressure correction
It can do either honestly but it does MAP...
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Originally Posted by sentry65
looks good booger! We'll all be curious to see what the final numbers end up at.
This kinda makes me more inclined to stick with the normal blower since I'd like to be able to rev to around 7000-7500 rpms with a built block - or at least have the headroom to do so. The T-trim sounds like it'd make 30 psi at 7500 rpms which is uh well a lot


The Haltech sounds like a great product, but seems like the first versions of these sorta things always have a million bugs

the Fcon has been around and been worked out for awhile now
Haltech has been making ECUs for years now for Nissans, Mazdas, etc. The RX-7 guys are very happy with them and some Spec V guys have started using them as well. Like I said before Danzio out here in Socal got it running the cam timing. Link to that: http://danzioperformance.com/customer_cars_16.asp
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Looking good booger!
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So Vortech did this prototype and never did anything else with it? Maybe you should duplicate it Booger and sell it here.
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Haltech has been making ECUs for years now for Nissans, Mazdas, etc. The RX-7 guys are very happy with them and some Spec V guys have started using them as well. Like I said before Danzio out here in Socal got it running the cam timing. Link to that: http://danzioperformance.com/customer_cars_16.asp

The one thing I see with a stand alone is that they will all have the same problem as the Hydra is having . Controling the AT5 tranny . And until all of them work through that , guys with the AT5 are left out of using the stand alone EMS .

Right now.....and after sitting and thinking for a day . I have more important thnigs to get paid off right now . So it may have to wait longer than I really want it to anyway . So maybe some one will work through controlling the tranny in the mean time .
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Originally Posted by Quamen
Looking good booger!

THANKS everyone !

I was very surprised the boost built up so fast . The T-trim really gets going after 5500rpm
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Good work Booger!

Post pics!
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Nice Booger!!



i never thought i would use that phrase in my life, seriously though, just get a utec and you will be fine with your EMU problems.

are you on a built block (i hope)
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Nice Booger!!



i never thought i would use that phrase in my life, seriously though, just get a utec and you will be fine with your EMU problems.

are you on a built block (i hope)

LOL

Built block...wouldnt even think about it with out .









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Good work Booger!

Post pics!

In the first post Hydrazine
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Is the T-trim the same style impeller as the standard trim headunit with slighlty different dimensions? I noticed that their impeller design on the standard trim could be improved slightly for some increased airflow something along the lines of 10-15% more CFM. Just wondering if the same goes for the T-trim?
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Originally Posted by Quamen
Is the T-trim the same style impeller as the standard trim headunit with slighlty different dimensions? I noticed that their impeller design on the standard trim could be improved slightly for some increased airflow something along the lines of 10-15% more CFM. Just wondering if the same goes for the T-trim?
I had the impression that the T-trim had about the same impeller but with closer tolerances .

I think if you saw a standard blower with a cog set up . You would see it make more boost than it does with a serp belt . I believe Vortechs web site say the the standard blower can make 20psi and the T-trim 24 or 26psi...not exactly sure on both
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remember guys....I have a extra T-trim blower for sale.....I'll throw in the bracket and pulleys also .
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nice man, what kinda numbers did all that high boost put down with your blower...??
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
He reported gains of 20+ WHP across the band just by messing with the cam timing.
It would be very interesting to see some graphs to back up that report. From my recent research I don't think any tweaking of VVT will add any HP above 4000RPM. At that point the timing is as aggresive as it will go, so I'm not sure how you would squeeze out more power.

I would expect to see a 20whp gain from 2500-4000RPM though with proper tuning.
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Originally Posted by KPierson
It would be very interesting to see some graphs to back up that report. From my recent research I don't think any tweaking of VVT will add any HP above 4000RPM. At that point the timing is as aggresive as it will go, so I'm not sure how you would squeeze out more power.

I would expect to see a 20whp gain from 2500-4000RPM though with proper tuning.
hey kevin, hit me up next time you are on aim, i am thinking about unpluging the VCT or actually feeding it full power so it stays open.


let me know your research so i can figure out some stuff...
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From what I have seen you are better off leaving it alone.

The valve timing at idle is roughly 2 degrees from the crank. If you supply constant power it will go all the way to 40 degrees or so, and the car won't idle very well (mine actually stalls). You will also lose top end power.

If you disconnect it all together I believe you will drop midrange torque, but will keep your power up top. Once I get my new spark plugs installed I'll be back on the dyno to confirm this. My last test didn't do what it was supposed to do.

Sorry for OTing!
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hellyeah!! how sure are you on this kevin, i will unplg them right now!!

heheh



let me know
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Originally Posted by KPierson
It would be very interesting to see some graphs to back up that report. From my recent research I don't think any tweaking of VVT will add any HP above 4000RPM. At that point the timing is as aggresive as it will go, so I'm not sure how you would squeeze out more power.

I would expect to see a 20whp gain from 2500-4000RPM though with proper tuning.
I'll see about getting some graphs from Danzio on Monday.


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