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Old May 3, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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I noticed many people in this forum suddenly wanted to sell their cars after installed the turbos. Sometimes, I saw the mileages of the cars were low since the installation. I even noticed the mileages as low as 1500 miles after turboed.

If you are one of them, can you tell me why suddenly you decide to sell the car?

You know you will not gain the money back!

Is it because:
1. The car is not as fast as you expect after the installation?
2. The engine is rough and you realize it will blow out oneday?
3. The boost is not consistent and the heat of the engine is too much?
4. or others...


Please let me know, so I will not make the same mistakes...

I appreciate any comments!

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Old May 3, 2007 | 07:43 PM
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Most people get into a bind and realize they can sell the car, make fast cash (although losing money) and so they sell. Family > Car in most cases. I havent heard anybody sell for reasons 1-3 on your list.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 07:52 PM
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going FI is not cheap, some people just get in over their head and decide its to expensive, and get out while they can. a cheap TT kit with install and tune is tapping at $10,000, In this 350z FI world you get what you pay for. Some people find out the hard way and decide it to much $$$$. I also have never seen people sell thier cars for reasons 1-3.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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I have 34k miles on my built motor and TT. And this is how i rack up them miles.

http://media.putfile.com/Enron-Exec-vs-StevenC



The simple answer to your quetion is, because most ppl dont know what they are doing. Turning a modern NA car to an FI monster is like... like... , well turning a modern NA car to an FI monster. It takes lots of smarts, money, luck, then some more money.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:07 PM
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some have money to try out turbos and alot dont
they sell the car cuz they are bored of the Z
there are other parts then just turbo kit that u need.
if u have the money to burn then get it..
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by eagletanggreen
going FI is not cheap, some people just get in over their head and decide its to expensive, and get out while they can. a cheap TT kit with install and tune is tapping at $10,000, In this 350z FI world you get what you pay for. Some people find out the hard way and decide it to much $$$$. I also have never seen people sell thier cars for reasons 1-3.
+1, most people have enough to get the ball rolling with a FI setup, but don't quite realize how expensive things can get. buying the kit is one thing. Install, tuning, Fcon Vpro, twin disc clutches, radiators, tires, exhausts aren't cheap. Now the potential motor build sometime down the road can just add up to insane amounts of money. People get in knee deep, some see the light and bail while they still can, others just go for broke.

Like alberto said, family situations change, jobs change, new cars come out, lots of things change and that can lead to the sale of the car.


What you listed aren't really things I would consider to be major reasons people get rid of the car.

In all honesty, if you have the money, a kit like the APS TT will sell itself on a single ride along. Driving a N/A is a complete joke compared to what I have in the garage. I doubt anyone with a properly setup boosted Z car would say their car isn't as fast as expected. And if they do, have a N/A guy go for a spin in it and let them tell you how insane the car is.

On a properly setup car, the motor will run at least as smooth as stock. I swear after the install of my kit, my car ran smoother than stock.

On a properly setup car, the boost will be closely controlled. Heat won't be an issue again with a properly setup car.

I hope you see where I am going with this -> on a properly setup car, none of those things will be an issue. The only issue at hand is the cost of getting a properly setup car.

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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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I think a lot of people just want the latest greatest car that's out there and the Z is old news now

to do a FI setup right, it's going to cost a lot of money. A lot more than the guys with a $7k budget have. Or when something breaks or they realize how expensive the game really is - with no warrenty, they decide to get a brand new car with warrenty

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Originally Posted by Zivman
+1, most people have enough to get the ball rolling with a FI setup, but don't quite realize how expensive things can get. buying the kit is one thing. Install, tuning, Fcon Vpro, twin disc clutches, radiators, tires, exhausts aren't cheap. Now the potential motor build sometime down the road can just add up to insane amounts of money. People get in knee deep, some see the light and bail while they still can, others just go for broke.

Like alberto said, family situations change, jobs change, lots of things change and that can lead to the sale of the car.


What you listed aren't really things I would consider to be major reasons people get rid of the car.

In all honesty, if you have the money, a kit like the APS TT will sell itself on a single ride along. Driving a N/A is a complete joke compared to what I have in the garage. I doubt anyone with a properly setup boosted Z car would say their car isn't as fast as expected. And if they do, have a N/A guy go for a spin in it and let them tell you how insane the car is.

On a properly setup car, the motor will run at least as smooth as stock. I swear after the install of my kit, my car ran smoother than stock.

On a properly setup car, the boost will be closely controlled. Heat won't be an issue again with a properly setup car.

I hope you see where I am going with this -> on a properly setup car, none of those things will be an issue. The only issue at hand is the cost of getting a properly setup car.

That was perfectly said!
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
In all honesty, if you have the money, a kit like the APS TT will sell itself on a single ride along. Driving a N/A is a complete joke compared to what I have in the garage. I doubt anyone with a properly setup boosted Z car would say their car isn't as fast as expected. And if they do, have a N/A guy go for a spin in it and let them tell you how insane the car is..
i'm just stock right now..had a meet on sunday and i took a ride in a turbo Z(thanks thomas) and now i'm hooked...saving up to go twins!!!
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sentry65
I think a lot of people just want the latest greatest car that's out there and the Z is old news now

to do a FI setup right, it's going to cost a lot of money. A lot more than the guys with a $7k budget have. Or when something breaks or they realize how expensive the game really is - with no warrenty, they decide to get a brand new car with warrenty
7K budget!

I spent well over 7 grand on 'goodies'

This thread has me looking over my receipts - holy hell.

Exhausts
Clutches
Boost controller
HKS Fcon
Multiple Tunes
Airline tickets to drop off an pick up the car
Gas reciepts for towing car to be worked on
spark plugs
radiators
Rear end swaps
upgraded actuators
gauges -> widebands
Shipping costs
pistons
rods
gasket kits
head and main bolts
multiple sets of test pipes
suspension
alignments
oil coolers
street tires
drag radials
Brembo BBK
Fuel system
Plenum
strut bars

Oh, and then I find the original 7 grand reciept for the turbo kit itself
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by soleil350z
i'm just stock right now..had a meet on sunday and i took a ride in a turbo Z(thanks thomas) and now i'm hooked...saving up to go twins!!!
Boost is like crack.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by soleil350z
i'm just stock right now..had a meet on sunday and i took a ride in a turbo Z(thanks thomas) and now i'm hooked...saving up to go twins!!!
all it takes is one ride- litterly. You then realize what you are missing out on and the potential of the car.

A properly boosted Z car is an entirely new beast. Sure a N/A Z33 can be fun, but not even in the same league as one running boost.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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What people have said here is right on. Like just my little vortech supercharger set up started out @ $ 4825 then oil pan spacer $150 then $250 for wiring harness, $85 case of amsoil, $65 plugs, $900 for install. total $6200 just to get 350 whp. But compaired to n/a no way love it . In my opinion just right for stock engine. Got 6 more mpg runs cooler and smother seems like the engine was made for it. But also have to be ready to kiss any drive train waranty good bye.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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If it is so... expensive, is it wiser to trade-in the stock "z" and get the MR, STI, Supercharged Mustang, or Mazdaspeed?
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Old May 3, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sunhita
If it is so... expensive, is it wiser to trade-in the stock "z" and get the MR, STI, Supercharged Mustang, or Mazdaspeed?

of course
those cars are actually better platforms for making more power anyway. They already have FI kits to start with and all the cooling etc put in place.

I say get the car you want, and make it perform the way you want it to. A MR, STI, or cobra mustang are going to be totally different than how a Z drives, handles, and looks
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Old May 3, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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A) Its not cheap
B) Some people jump into the FI game before making sure they will be able to afford it.
C) The car will never run and be as problem free as stock or a bolt on Z. I have had an FI car and no matter what people say there will always be little quirks and issues that will arise. It starts to wear on some people. I know it did it to me but i still miss and would do it all over again
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Originally Posted by Enron Exec
I have 34k miles on my built motor and TT. And this is how i rack up them miles.

http://media.putfile.com/Enron-Exec-vs-StevenC



The simple answer to your quetion is, because most ppl dont know what they are doing. Turning a modern NA car to an FI monster is like... like... , well turning a modern NA car to an FI monster. It takes lots of smarts, money, luck, then some more money.

dammn that was awesome! hahha newbies to the forum have been making some dramatic *** threads "I want the motha ****** troof!"
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Old May 3, 2007 | 11:37 PM
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What if we dont tell the truth
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Old May 4, 2007 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sunhita
I noticed many people in this forum suddenly wanted to sell their cars after installed the turbos. Sometimes, I saw the mileages of the cars were low since the installation. I even noticed the mileages as low as 1500 miles after turboed.

If you are one of them, can you tell me why suddenly you decide to sell the car?

You know you will not gain the money back!

Is it because:
1. The car is not as fast as you expect after the installation?
2. The engine is rough and you realize it will blow out oneday?
3. The boost is not consistent and the heat of the engine is too much?
4. or others...


Please let me know, so I will not make the same mistakes...

I appreciate any comments!

Thanks
if the mileage was that low as you stated, most of these cars are probably show cars or weekend cars. more than likely, the owners decided to sell their turbo'ed cars for either practical reasons or to fetch a newer model. i wouldn't be surprised if most of the turbo'ed vehicles were "show cars"... just check ebay and see how extravagantly "dressed" they are. for the most of us, our g and z's are daily driven and utilized every step of intention.

1. after my car's been turbo'ed, i felt it was very up to par with the e46 m3 (power versus aggressive transmission gearing). it was quick... i had no qualms of the turbo system.

2. eventually... the engine will blow. if you ate mcdonalds for every meal, for every day, i am pretty sure you will die too. it's only a matter of time... of course, such reassurance can be accepted unconditionally without hesitation with a built block or upgraded amenities for additional insurance.

3. consistent boost and heat can be handled with the proper equipment of course...

4. honestly, i think money is an important factor. a basic turbo kit can cost from 6000~8000 dollars. for more pushin' and cruisin' upgraded amenities that cost from 1000~3000 (or a collective within that range) are a must for a reliable car, such as fuel, ignition and management upgrades. next is the big kahuna of a built block, along with labor and tuning... which can cost more than a used z or g, themselves. those who want to have a turbo do NOT seem to know what they're getting into (i was one of them)... and if problems do arise, more money is needed.
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Originally Posted by Zivman
In all honesty, if you have the money, a kit like the APS TT will sell itself on a single ride along.

Anddddd.... he sets the bait
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