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Old May 10, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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I searched and couldnt figure out how to narrow the search down to answer this question. Anywho, I'm wondering...when doing a build, when is it necessary to upgrade your radiator? I can tell its already gonna be a rediculously hot summer so its crossing my mind that it may need to be factored into my build no matter which direction I choose?
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Old May 10, 2007 | 07:17 AM
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If you dont track your car at all, and keep power levels around 500whp or less, the upgraded rad is not needed, but recommended. If you track your car even once a year, then definately do a thick core Koyo.
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tons of guys go without it, including me. It will definitely help and If you got an extra $400-600, do it... but unless you're doing some major tracking I wouldn't say its really necessary.
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Old May 10, 2007 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
If you dont track your car at all, and keep power levels around 500whp or less, the upgraded rad is not needed, but recommended. If you track your car even once a year, then definately do a thick core Koyo.
Awesome that just answered what I needed. I'm planning on tracking the car every chance I get since I live 12 miles from the drag strip now.
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^ without a doubt, I would do it. Also get an oil cooler as well.
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Ok. Is the Stillen Oil Cooler the only one on the market? Also, Sharif, is the Koyo R series the thick one? The slim also says the core is twice as thick as stock, so which do you recommend for a car that is preparing to be built for 600hp and tracked alot?
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Ok. Is the Stillen Oil Cooler the only one on the market? Also, Sharif, is the Koyo R series the thick one? The slim also says the core is twice as thick as stock, so which do you recommend for a car that is preparing to be built for 600hp and tracked alot?
R spec is the 3 row, and the V spec is the slimmer 2 row.

Drag racing doesnt put an immense amount of cooling load on your system. 10-12 seconds at WOT shouldnt tax your stock cooling system too much. Road course stuff is what I was referring to. If you plan on doing an track days, I would definately recommend the 3 row.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
R spec is the 3 row, and the V spec is the slimmer 2 row.

Drag racing doesnt put an immense amount of cooling load on your system. 10-12 seconds at WOT shouldnt tax your stock cooling system too much. Road course stuff is what I was referring to. If you plan on doing an track days, I would definately recommend the 3 row.
OK thanks. I think for the slight price difference the 3 row would be the better choice then just incase me and my friends do take a summer road trip to do some track events. They are sick of straight line running their subies. lol
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Why not take it a step further? This is from a local guy who tracks heavily, I'm still waiting on pics/more details:

StaticCling: "No, I went a step further and got a custom setup that the Grand Am 350Z's use. It has a built in oil cooler and is a two pass radiator with a single fan. I also have a replacement for the stock oil cooler with a Nismo one that redirects flow through the oil cooler. I will take pictures of it when I install it."
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That sounds like a pocketbook killer. Anymore info on it?
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Let me ask him and get back to ya'll.
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okie, thanks
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Here ya go:

http://chicagoz.com/v-web/bulletin/b...pic.php?t=7467
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Nice thanks.
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Too bad there are no direct bolt on radiators for the G. My coolant temps weren't a problem on the latest track day, but it was only about 50 degrees outside. I'd be a bit worried about a track day in 90 degree weather.

All the radiators on the market (that I know of) that say they are for the G are actually for the Z, and have inlet and outlets in the wrong spot. Oh well.

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I would do the upgrade. I'm NA and I'm even considering it!

The reason is because I've seen on the dyno there is a strong correlation of HP and TQ to coolant temperatures. On the order of 12-18 HP between 185'F to 210'F coolant temperature.

I track my Z whenever time allows and weather its hot or cold outside, I've noticed coolant temperatures are always around 210'F while on the track.

So a good radiator is probably worth about 8-10HP on the track when NA.
If your FI.... there is no question it will benefit your setup.
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Old May 11, 2007 | 05:44 AM
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The ecu has a equation to decrease ignition advance when coolant increases beyond ideal [174-195F] usually 1 degree per 5F limited to 5 degrees retard at 220F.

Part of summer overheat protection.
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Originally Posted by Dave 90TT
Too bad there are no direct bolt on radiators for the G. My coolant temps weren't a problem on the latest track day, but it was only about 50 degrees outside. I'd be a bit worried about a track day in 90 degree weather.

All the radiators on the market (that I know of) that say they are for the G are actually for the Z, and have inlet and outlets in the wrong spot. Oh well.

Dave
There is a direct bolt on aftermarket radiator for the G. SGP got Power to make one for them. Here's the link from G35driver.com.

http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128757

I hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
R spec is the 3 row, and the V spec is the slimmer 2 row.

Drag racing doesnt put an immense amount of cooling load on your system. 10-12 seconds at WOT shouldnt tax your stock cooling system too much. Road course stuff is what I was referring to. If you plan on doing an track days, I would definately recommend the 3 row.

I recently installed the 3 row Koyo and after purging the system very good, my temp have not risen to the point were the fan comes on. I am at 185 - 190 all day long in humid 89 degree weather.

You can pick yours up a WWW.forgedperformance.com they always have some in stock, and have the best prices in town.
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Originally Posted by synth19
Why not take it a step further? This is from a local guy who tracks heavily, I'm still waiting on pics/more details:
This was basically the same setup I had till it got stolen. C&R two row double pass closed system with a swirl pot.

Now I have the PWR unit that SGP sells.
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