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Old May 21, 2007 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by westpak
Yes it does feel better, I am still playing with it, I can get obsessive about things and want to get as close to perfect as I can, with 750cc injectors it idles fairly well, using target AF sure makes things easier, just have to work on the idle intake temp and water temp maps a little more.

And yes it can raise the rev limiter, I also set up the 2-step and it sounds wild when in use.
The two step will be nice!!!Should make friends with the local AXLE shops first.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by westpak
Yes it does feel better, I am still playing with it, I can get obsessive about things and want to get as close to perfect as I can, with 750cc injectors it idles fairly well, using target AF sure makes things easier, just have to work on the idle intake temp and water temp maps a little more.

And yes it can raise the rev limiter, I also set up the 2-step and it sounds wild when in use.
With the 2 - step can you still pre load the drive train ? I see alot of people here pre load the drive train to save some transmission life when launching the car.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 05:42 PM
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Gus, glad to hear everything worked out. I know how it can be... I'll most likely see you at ZCON.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by IslandZavage
How long does a tune take? any faster than other engine managments?is this more a built motor mod or great for stock block also...?
the entire unit takes a while specially from scratch like mine, even though I had a startup map from HKS it was not quite what I wanted.

Doing the WOT tuning is a piece of cake, you let the FCON do its thing and we worried about the timing while using the knock amp and headphones. Then work on the driveability and other submaps.

The unit so far from what I have seen is the best out there for any FI application whether stock block or built block, you will notice more of a benefit on a setup with big injectors and built block looking for power and having a unit that actually gives you what you are looking for, and respnds to tuning.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dave
With the 2 - step can you still pre load the drive train ? I see alot of people here pre load the drive train to save some transmission life when launching the car.
I have not tried it all out yet, but I don't see why not.

If you set it up using the software like I did, you set the RPM's you want it to be at, also the speed pulses before it turns off and goes normal, you just have to play with it until you figure out the rpm and speed pulse for the best launch.

The 2-Step automatically becomes active every time you come to a stop and deactivates once you get moving so it doesn't affect normal driving.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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Still at it huh Alberto? Ok, Ill bite...This is what you refered to as a legitimate Q?

Looks like the start of a flame fest to me..At any rate, its good to see you have not forgotten me Alberto,nice to know you still care..lol
I simply felt his Questions were directed at achieving 2 things, one of which was to get my attention in a negative way, the other to take this thread off topic..

Westpack, great job on the build and tune, keep it up!!
You must have been picked on in school alot, you are seriously insecure. You take every post not agreeing with you as an insult or threat. I can almost see what you mean, but he clearly stated after he meant no foul get over it. I could care less if you were on these forums, at the track running 9's, or on a corner begging for $$$. You are your worst enemy on these forums, and in your business. Nice job answering his Q though, you likely dont care to though as you know he wont ever go to MRC.
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Old May 22, 2007 | 05:49 AM
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Gus, glad to hear everything worked out. I know how it can be... I'll most likely see you at ZCON.
Yeap, I am getting her ready for that, got some things I am doing in preparation
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Old May 22, 2007 | 06:51 AM
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because people constantly make changes to their setups....

I don't know one racer who just leaves everything alone; they are constantly tweaking to make their tune perfect.....

A little more timing here, a little less there, etc........

anyways, I am just curious if there will be a fine engine management system for those who prefer to tweak and tune themselves.....or will HKS ever offer something that is user adjustable?
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Old May 22, 2007 | 06:58 AM
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anyways, I am just curious if there will be a fine engine management system for those who prefer to tweak and tune themselves.....or will HKS ever offer something that is user adjustable?
There is a small minority of users that need to constantly tweak and test their setups. I guess the idea with a good EMS, is the fact that you dont have to drive around with a laptop constantly making adjustments. Look at the typical automotive forum, and do a search for AEM, for instance...nothing but issues, problems with this and that....cold start, slow start, warm start, temp issues. The list is endless.

To your point, however, Haltech is coming with one of the most promising user tunable standalone EMS's, and we'll be carrying those as well. Very very capable, and probably on par with the FCON. So there are definately some very good systems coming out shortly for the self-tuning community.
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Originally Posted by QuadCam
because people constantly make changes to their setups....

I don't know one racer who just leaves everything alone; they are constantly tweaking to make their tune perfect.....

A little more timing here, a little less there, etc........

anyways, I am just curious if there will be a fine engine management system for those who prefer to tweak and tune themselves.....or will HKS ever offer something that is user adjustable?
EDIT.. Sharif beat me too it.. lol

AEM is 'almost' comparable to the Fcon.. They do however are having some issues with temps, cold starts etc..

Haltech is probably going to be the best unit, IMO for us user tuners..
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Old May 22, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
There is a small minority of users that need to constantly tweak and test their setups. I guess the idea with a good EMS, is the fact that you dont have to drive around with a laptop constantly making adjustments. Look at the typical automotive forum, and do a search for AEM, for instance...nothing but issues, problems with this and that....cold start, slow start, warm start, temp issues. The list is endless.

To your point, however, Haltech is coming with one of the most promising user tunable standalone EMS's, and we'll be carrying those as well. Very very capable, and probably on par with the FCON. So there are definately some very good systems coming out shortly for the self-tuning community.
Took the words out of my mouth...er...keyboard...whatever. Haltech e11v2 is the way I would go if I needed to tweak the tune constantly. That and it can control cam timing out of the box...
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Originally Posted by Kenk2
EDIT.. Sharif beat me too it.. lol

AEM is 'almost' comparable to the Fcon.. They do however are having some issues with temps, cold starts etc..

Haltech is probably going to be the best unit, IMO for us user tuners..
a good tunner shoudl ahve no problem with the AEM ems... it can control fuel on cars that put well over 1200 whp
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Took the words out of my mouth...er...keyboard...whatever. Haltech e11v2 is the way I would go if I needed to tweak the tune constantly. That and it can control cam timing out of the box...
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
a good tunner shoudl ahve no problem with the AEM ems... it can control fuel on cars that put well over 1200 whp

Plus the Haltech is cheaper...

EDIT.. Just because the AEM is tried and true with the Supras DOES NOT mean it will be the same way with our cars.. you should know this Jorge..
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Old May 22, 2007 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
a good tunner shoudl ahve no problem with the AEM ems... it can control fuel on cars that put well over 1200 whp
Just about any engine management will do WOT tuning for whatever horsepower the engine can handle, the trick is getting it to work well in driveability, both slow out of boost and highway rolls, and idle.
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Originally Posted by westpak
Just about any engine management will do WOT tuning for whatever horsepower the engine can handle, the trick is getting it to work well in driveability, both slow out of boost and highway rolls, and idle.

i was refering to street tuned supras that run high hp


not a 600whp honda on the emanage blue
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Old May 22, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by westpak
Just about any engine management will do WOT tuning for whatever horsepower the engine can handle, the trick is getting it to work well in driveability, both slow out of boost and highway rolls, and idle.
+1....
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
it can control cam timing out of the box...
That's very cool. So the FCON cannot do this? Or do you need extra hardware?
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Old May 22, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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fcon can do it and it can only be done by an authorized dealer
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Old May 22, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
fcon can do it and it can only be done by an authorized dealer
The FCON cannot currently control cam phasing. Might happen with future updates.
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