Turbo Kit
Built Motor and Cams
Boost Controller and Gauges
Nismo Wheels
Stereo System
Custom Paint

all that is easily over $25k

 

AJ was putting down in the mid 400 whp and was over 500 in torque...

 

If you already are ready to build your block, then why not do it now? I can understand if you don't have funds, but saying that you won't sacrafice anything doesn't make sense. You will lose quite a bit of money having no core to exchange.

 

hahahaha wel... before this thread blows up.. RE: Zivman post... i was just pointing out that you can never say never.... i mean... besides the fact that the kit gets max out nobody has dont the full engine work and put the kit on to see how much it can really put out.....=] but i agre if you spending that much on the engine, might as well do witha a more proven kit for high boost levels, it just happens that right now onyl twin kits do that =] And nothing wrong with that, but poeple dont have to troll around just to start shlt up.
So while the kit is well designed for stock block.. its not efficient at all for high boost levels =] I never disagreed with that

 

+100

 

I remember seeing a valid attempt at 500 with the standard TN kit. Power completely fell off the table in the upper RPM range. Can't remember the specific person, but there were dyno sheets and a complete build list to make it a valid attempt.

Yes, I think the TN sucks, but at least I post relavent info on why I believe so. Not like I am being 100% subjective with my responses/posts. There is a reason this kit can't make those bigger numbers and for the most part it comes down to heat due to the layout of the setup

 

r u talkigna bout JET?

he didnt get any headwork done dude

 

our heads flow plenty well. look at those horrid curves, what headwork is going to gain him 100 whp towards redline?

 

Yeah, and selling the car as a whole, he should get back maybe 50% of that, so 12,500 over what the car itself would go for. So you're saying you would spend $27,500 on a stock 04 touring with 17,000 miles? Plus, there are buit motor TT Z's on the forum going for 30-35,000... I would say that 40K is overpriced for this car.

 

This is exactly what we have been saying since the TN hit the market..Pretty much after 380-400 WHP it becomes a Hair dryer, blowing hot air causing all sorts of knock..Now Im prepaired for a "long winded technical babble explaination" from Miaplaya or one of the other TN employess on this board.However THEORY is one thing,but real world proven testing and experience is another..We all know that Jeremy tried to push a TN car, and blew up the motor,most likely due to very high IAT's causing detonation conditions..
You want 500hp, buy a twin or do a custome Single..

 

humm i think you are contradicting yourself now... becuase the whole point was that you said it cant be done and i said that you should "never say never"... he got to 455 on a dynodynamics... so thats decently close to a dyno jet # cause those are on a dyno dynamics #s... so if he had done more headwork he could have gotten the extra needed MAYBE to get over the 500...I am not dissagreeing that the kit is not efficient for hip WHP.
now at that point its looks would be too much engine for those power levels and that i agree.
I dunno why you talk about the power curve since the topic of discussion is to get over 500.
Its no secret man the TN kit is just not efficient for high whp, anybody that knows some about turbos can tell you that, but you just dont need to go and taking threads on a tangents and start shlt off all the time like you are right now =]

 

I'm not buyin' the numbers, but it doesn't really matter... I don't want to turn the thread into another dyno debate, but anything gauged on a dynapack dyno is BS in my eyes. 500+ on a TN kit is something that's yet to be seen in this community. Custom / hybrid TN setups have broken through that mark, but it's far past what the standard kit can push.

As far as the car in whole, it's very nice and I'm sure the owner will get a decent offer for it. Although I don't see it going for $45k.

EDIT: In regards to Jet's car - it was one of the "custom" setups I was talking about. Even then, it was marginal on the 500whp mark. Very nice setup/car, but not a practical application of $-to-power IMHO.

 

oh i agree... lots of things that dont translate from theory to reality cause of many factors... i was jsut sayign you can never say never if nobody has really put an overkill engine to try to see what the kit can do and jet didnt do it fully.... but I trully agree with your post though... you ant 500 or more whp... "buy a twin or do a custome Single"

 

Show me one Turbonetics kit on a bult motor with cams aside from the person who's selling his car in that link. You and Zivman are on some good stuff if you are telling me a good set of cams and an EMS that can actually control cam timing won't get to 500 HP on this turbo. You can point at Jetpilots car all you want but unlike every other built motor out there he was running stock cams and a 100% stock cylinder head. I don't see any APS STs in the 500 range or any STS kits in the 500 range either but according to your gospel their "superior" design should take them easily into the 500s. Oh wait thats right the craptastic internal wastegate on the APS kit won't hold enough boost. I love these threads. Its fun to watch you and Zivman attempt to be technically superior to everyone else. Funny how you can tell what happen to the motor Jeremy was working on from thousands of miles a while. Please post a "long winded technical explanation" on how you are able to determine the root cause of that motor failure from New Jersey. He spun a rod bearing BTW on that car and then proceeded to intentionally grenade the motor on the dyno. Or did you miss that 20+ page thread with the video? IIRC theres at least 5 APS powered cars who spun rod bearings on the APS recommended "safe" HP levels. So much for superior design.

 

i agree its unfortunate cause he has more than that in value of parts... and work done to the car

 

hmm.. that seems to happen pretty often in FL

 

maybe a tuning issue.

 

That's just it, noone is willing to waste a high buck engine build on such a kit. Our heads flow well in stock form. yes, cams will help, but with power falling off so considerably, they will have to be dubbed, in TN fashion, "Stage 100" cams to bring that curve around. You can run this with a utec, or even an Fcon, it won't matter. all you will being doing is pulling an insane amount of timing. MRC isn't the only tuner around stating the kit just pumps hot air into the motor, there are other tuners around saying the same thing,

Hokey, Crappy, Sh!tty.... you take your pic as to what the proper word is to describe the TN setup

 

And everywhere else too apparently.

 

donde?