Injected Performance bringing in the first four digit dyno number: 1016rwhp DD
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Originally Posted by thawk408
How would all this matter? The turbo is sooo big I dont see how it could effect it that much. The big dog supras running this turbo take it to 10k.
Well, it doess affect it. If you did take it to 10,000 rpm, it would be a very good turbo. But not at 6000 rpm. At these rpm levels, you are loosing too much efficiency. I can prove this beyond an iota of a doubt, just don't want to take it off topic much more. PM me if you are interested.
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Originally Posted by TENGAI
Everyone's got an opinion on this, so here's what I see -
1. Car made 1000+whp on a built VQ (first one that's not pro-drag)
2. Engine built with the Brian Crower stroker kit (amid recent debate of BC not being a proven product)
3. Haltech for engine management (first soon to be released alternative to the F-Con)
4. Single turbo (not twins)
5. L19 11mm head studs (not 1/2")
So how many other myths about making huge power on our cars is going to be smashed? Great work guys...
1. Car made 1000+whp on a built VQ (first one that's not pro-drag)
2. Engine built with the Brian Crower stroker kit (amid recent debate of BC not being a proven product)
3. Haltech for engine management (first soon to be released alternative to the F-Con)
4. Single turbo (not twins)
5. L19 11mm head studs (not 1/2")
So how many other myths about making huge power on our cars is going to be smashed? Great work guys...
I've been trying to get info on this car since WAY back in the day when it was painted black. I'm glad it's finally making the huge power it was built for!
I think we'll be seeing a few more big hp single turbo builds in the near future. They may not be as big as this, but they're certainly going to be impressive.
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Originally Posted by GurgenPB
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Well, it doess affect it. If you did take it to 10,000 rpm, it would be a very good turbo. But not at 6000 rpm. At these rpm levels, you are loosing too much efficiency. I can prove this beyond an iota of a doubt, just don't want to take it off topic much more. PM me if you are interested.
Well, it doess affect it. If you did take it to 10,000 rpm, it would be a very good turbo. But not at 6000 rpm. At these rpm levels, you are loosing too much efficiency. I can prove this beyond an iota of a doubt, just don't want to take it off topic much more. PM me if you are interested.
I think you're going to see roughly equivalent lag in both instances. To combat that you obviously have to be very careful of turbo sizing, or try something like a divided turbine housing on a single setup...
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Originally Posted by GurgenPB
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Well, it doess affect it. If you did take it to 10,000 rpm, it would be a very good turbo. But not at 6000 rpm. At these rpm levels, you are loosing too much efficiency. I can prove this beyond an iota of a doubt, just don't want to take it off topic much more. PM me if you are interested.
Well, it doess affect it. If you did take it to 10,000 rpm, it would be a very good turbo. But not at 6000 rpm. At these rpm levels, you are loosing too much efficiency. I can prove this beyond an iota of a doubt, just don't want to take it off topic much more. PM me if you are interested.
There are plenty of Supra, Mustangs, etc shooting 1000+whp with extremely fast times down the drag strip with huge turbocharger setups(some street cars) and they're not revving to 10k Most of these motors with that stroke won't allow those piston speeds anyways so what is it exactly that you propose mr engineer? A motor with a piston speed physically capable of spinning to 10k RPM would most likely have to be a motor with small displacement. I don't see a small displacement motor spinning a GT47.
Go ahead and prove what you are trying to prove. God knows what it is..... Are you trying to rain on Injected's parade? There's always that one member on my350 on the FI forums.
It would be nice if this didn't turn into another debate. If you want a debate make your own thread.
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Originally Posted by Joeschmoe
You guys are crazy, this is on a powerglide... not a 6 speed, the converter's catching up and thats why its losing 300whp by redline.. This car is not making 1016whp to the tire.. Granted it's nice to fathom, and i'd hate to ruin anyones dreams and sound like a troll. But if this car hit the track at 27 psi it's not going to trap the speed for 1000whp.
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First off congrats to Injected Performance for breaking into the 1000whp terriotory. The achievement in itself is nothing short of amazing. That is a lot of force to be recon with.
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I believe all that Gurgen was pointing out was that there could have been even more out of the car, regardless of the state of the tune, had the turbo size been better considered (a slight down sizing in this case).
I haven't seen the compressor map of the GT47-88, so I won't comment on whether it was indeed too big, just right, or too small. However, RPM has everything to do with choosing the ideal turbo size. Max flowrate being one of the key component, which is a function of displacement and engine RPM. Albeit smaller in displacement, a 10,000 RPM Supra can certainly achieve the type of flowrate the GT47-80 or GT-47-88 can best utilize. One would need to consult the compressor map to get to the bottom of this.
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I believe all that Gurgen was pointing out was that there could have been even more out of the car, regardless of the state of the tune, had the turbo size been better considered (a slight down sizing in this case).
I haven't seen the compressor map of the GT47-88, so I won't comment on whether it was indeed too big, just right, or too small. However, RPM has everything to do with choosing the ideal turbo size. Max flowrate being one of the key component, which is a function of displacement and engine RPM. Albeit smaller in displacement, a 10,000 RPM Supra can certainly achieve the type of flowrate the GT47-80 or GT-47-88 can best utilize. One would need to consult the compressor map to get to the bottom of this.
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I have used the GT47s on 3L Supras as well as on 400+ cu inch V8s. I have never seen the power fall of as long as you are in the correct efficiency range of the turbo. This turbo will easily make 1000+ RWHP all the way to redline on this 4.2 L motor. I suspect there is something else going on here and it is DEFINITELY not the turbo. The stock intake manifold is not going to kill 200+ HP on the top end. I would guess tranny or converter. Easy way to check is look at the pulse width or duty cycle of the injectors. This will tell you how much HP the motor is making if the air fuel ratios stay consistent.
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Originally Posted by SoundPerformance
I have used the GT47s on 3L Supras as well as on 400+ cu inch V8s. I have never seen the power fall of as long as you are in the correct efficiency range of the turbo. This turbo will easily make 1000+ RWHP all the way to redline on this 4.2 L motor. I suspect there is something else going on here and it is DEFINITELY not the turbo. The stock intake manifold is not going to kill 200+ HP on the top end. I would guess tranny or converter. Easy way to check is look at the pulse width or duty cycle of the injectors. This will tell you how much HP the motor is making if the air fuel ratios stay consistent.
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There's also no saying one cannot attain over 1000hp operting outside of the peak turbo efficiency range and conversely making over 1000hp does not imply one's operating in the peak efficiency range.
The implication is that unless the turbo is operating in the peak efficiency range, there's always more power and sooner to be had.
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very nice!! now take it to the track... i see in the notes, it says 350z drag car
what kinda difference do you think the powerglide tranny makes compared to a stock 6mt. i will know in about a month with my own turbo400 and a big single for comparision..
also, not doubting anything but the actual graph only goes up to like high 9xx, then the max says 10xx, is there a different graph that pulls up higher and you might have grabbed one that is letting off at mid throttle?? just wondering, either way, who cares, that car is going to haul a$$!!!
what kinda difference do you think the powerglide tranny makes compared to a stock 6mt. i will know in about a month with my own turbo400 and a big single for comparision..
also, not doubting anything but the actual graph only goes up to like high 9xx, then the max says 10xx, is there a different graph that pulls up higher and you might have grabbed one that is letting off at mid throttle?? just wondering, either way, who cares, that car is going to haul a$$!!!
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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
also, not doubting anything but the actual graph only goes up to like high 9xx, then the max says 10xx, is there a different graph that pulls up higher and you might have grabbed one that is letting off at mid throttle?? just wondering, either way, who cares, that car is going to haul a$$!!!
I was thinking that the curve is actually the torque curve, as measured, but the top of the left column does say "HP." the graph looks like it goes up to 9xx, but the read out on top says 10xx?